those who come here to preach religeon

those who come here to preach religeon, which seems to be most of you. Dont you realize that your faith is best practiced as a personal thing. When you come here to push it on people who don't agree with you, you are meerly trying to reasure yourself. It would be a healthy endeavor of exploration if you listened for new ideas, but since you do it with the mind set that you are the enlightened teacher and we are all wrong there is no reason for you to be here. If you are truely right then i sugest you spend a lot of time truely contemplating your religeon, if it is the truth and you focus on it hard enough and gain a REAL understanding of it, then you would not need to write for so long, because one who knew what was the way to the truth and had followed that way for a long time would be able to see what those who were on the right path needed, and to the ones who needed you to intervine, you would only need to say a few words.
The asumption that we are atheists and agnostics as an oposit to your perticular religeon is unobjective. They are not relative to any faith. For some thats what it becomes, but really it is just admitting that you don't know, many agnostics even study a religeon or atend services of it. for many of you i think your anger grows not from frustration that you cannot save them, i think that is an excuse you make to yourself. It grows from the fear you feel, when you think about someone who does not belive as you do and feel a weakness, one you probably deny, and that causes you fear, which causes you anger. If you could get one of us to actually see what you tell yourself you see, then it would reafirm you, but sadly, when someone does on rare ocation "awaken" it is the same sort of giving in in the guise of joyful realization that you felt, and you are not satisfied, you have onl gained a fellow seeker of reasurance.
I have under pressure from so many belivers, and as a fair chance to myself if it held something as so many promised, read the entire bible with an open mind, fully considering that this amazing thing they spoke of was true, and atended church, in many places of many denominations. I learned a few things about human nature, but mostly i just saw how people can reasure others while reasuring themselfs, so forming a mob mentality and turing real fear into psudo joy. For you it may mean something and we have heard your peice, it is fine by me that you come here, but doing so and looking down on us only hurts your case, because by being supirior, you are not practicing what you claim to belive.
At the base of the issue is this, discussing or arguing can only give a true atheist new ideas, but they are not light switches, you cannot "change them" you can only add to themeven if i met god in person i would see no need to become religeous, i would belive in god then, but what diference would that make but that i would posses another bit of information?

 

i do agree with ya, but at the same time many atheists/agnostics (more so atheists, as agnostic dont deny the possibility) go into the theist forums to stir.. every group has some people who will try to impose..

 

Should spell it right (read your own comment). And another thing:

Actually, one of the reasons I am here is to harass morons who don't get it (like you).

Likewise, argumentum ad novitatum has been so logical over the years that I am surprised that people even have to mention it.

The same reason your math teacher has to be there.

lol, I am glad I spend as much time contemplating God as I do drinking. You know Ike, poker might not be your game, how 'bout a spelling bee?

Kid, you ever consider how entertaining it is to talk to people who have no clue what you are talking about, and all the while you know they will understand your position later?

Such as: Fuck you, you will never understand God because God hates you!

I enjoy what I do, and need no excuses for it. I have never done anything wrong in my whole life. I am a better person than you.

What fear? If someone does not know what I do, eventually they will, and until then, I will talk circles around them, because all of their beliefs are bullshit.

Sorry, a person can't show you what God shows the person, only God can show you. Unfortunately, you will never get it.

I believe I am superior to you.

Which is all you ever get. So what? Are you arguing that you do not change from gaining new information (learn)?

 

I have never seen you write with such aggression. You must be really ticked off. Or, is it really sarcastic?
God has not ever shown me any visual proof, but the trials and disasters of my life have shown a miraculous series of events to me, that defy rational explanation.
I believe in Spirit, and that is what I think has allowed me the opportunity to have witnessed so many miracles. This has confirmed and solidified my stance that logic and science cannot and do not explain our life completely, and I feel never will.
Not mine anyway.

 

Shouldn't you belong to the Mind Fuck boards then?

As Pablo said, if you want to talk about agnosticism/atheism here, then talk about it. If you're just going to stand around looking pretty and harassing people, then take the bully-stick out of your ass and move along, Kharakov.

Nobody likes a person who is so disatisfied with their religion that they have to invade non-religious boards to glorify their own religion. It's a self-admittance of defeat. =)

 

BlackGuard

Agree.

Occam

 

Thank you sir, your agreement means more to me than most.
I believed at a young age, and though had much doubt for many years, never stopped.

 

people who dont have a good reason to be angry always make fun of spelling errors, you did it twice. I see so many who act this way, not just chistians in the agnostic forum, also agnostics in the christian forum, omnivores in the vegan forum and so on. They all seem to be pretending that they aren't angry and afraid, that they are simply supirior and that they do it because they enjoy making people mad, or because they like the atention. There must be some way people with diferent belifes and veiws can talk without becoming childish, but even in the senate, scrath that, expecialy in the senate, where our most mature minds are suposed to work out issues, it becomes a mess of childish arguing that doesnt acomplish anything good.

As for your math teacher coment, a math teacher is usually in a math class where there are student who came to learn math, if you want to preach to a group of people who came to learn about god, then go to a churh, not an agnostic forum, that would be like a high level math teacher going into a history class, and talking over the history teacher about math, and saying it was a better place for him to speak because the history students know less math then the math students.

 

Pablo

Owned.

Hikaru agrees completely. =)

Hikaru

 

I'll debate with a christian any day. Doesn't mean I am afraid. Maybe I'm a little angry or offended at times, however. Usually just annoyed at how little people think and research for themselves. Mostly, I like to debate.

 

I consider this more of a mind rape... with a non consensual, immature mind. Or do I?

You can ignore my posts, young grasshoppa.

lol. thanx for saying that.

. I don't know if I have a 'religion', I just hang out with God all the time, and all the glory I need is a blow job from God (which is more of a private thing that you wouldn't even understand if you don't know God). I have to admit that I think it is good for others to have the benefits that I have in knowing God.

If you have noticed (from my posts) I am not the typical fundamentalist type propagating fundamentalist hype with another soundbite every day. ***I*** take outside input seriously (as long as it is correct).

 

debate is good, im talking about childish arguing a proper debate is when two people discuss difering veiws atempting to both learn and teach, when i dont understand someone i try to learn from them, and i would like to have a real discusion with a christian because i dont fully understand them. But all the ones ive talked to just get mad and say im ataking them. It all comes from how we find difering veiws ofensive, because we consider it an insult to say we are wrong. I admit that even in my efforts to become more openminded i am often wrong, i often fail to consider new ideas because they dont fit with the things i already think, but im trying.

I really dont care if someone belives anything they want, it is when it causes anger that bothers me. Any belife can cause anger. I even heard some people screaming about weather the sky is blue because thats the color of nitrogen or because thats the color of water vapor. Religeon just causes many more problems because unlike that argument neither side can ever be proven. Because any religeon that can easily be disproven no longer exists, thats probably why all that remain are based on faith without proof.

by the way im aware i made some spelling, grammar, and puntuation errors, i guess that makes my theological and philisophical points invalid.

 

Sometimes, I get in a joking mood. Hopefully I don't horrify those around me with my humor (it is pretty deep).

Technically, if a mind can comprehend God and the scientific method, that mind should be able to find evidence of God. However, as a) God does not like to be proven, but prefers a modicum of decorum and privacy in action; and b) God is intelligent and powerful enough to keep many of God's actions in the background; it doesn't seem very likely, unless there is a point in time that God has set to take off the clothes, I mean, gloves.

 

hi there
true all preach all choose to tell
because all want to connect..to something and someone..

personal beliefs are for ourselves but follows
will pass on what they feel helps them from one human to the next we
all tell.....its in our natures...like most things
and to force religion beliefs also is part of this . the side of misunderstandings
about what one person needs to the next....this i dont agree with
no one should be forced to believe anything.......

to discuss what we feel about religion helps us to grow
what ever we believe or not
both sides are formed together for one reason
only the choice..

i agree religion can keep people down in the mind but
if they choose to do this then it is their reason
like science theirs another reason
the balance......
love n peace from saff
i enjoyed reading what you wrote...

 

Hey, your argument isn't logical. Whether or not your premises (assumed or otherwise) are correct and your arguments formed logically determines the validity of your conclusions. ;p

 

You are right. I wasn't angry.

I think I like to make people mad, but in a good way.

Many children don't want to learn essential lessons "what the hell am I gonna use math fur anywho?". My point was, children have misconceptions about learning concepts (the most common one is "I don't need to learn this concept") like math or spiritual thought.

 

Of course.

 

and this is different than your posts becuz.............?

 

Well, scientists are starting to discover true metaphysics and they've been running tests for a while now.. The metaphysical world and science are melding into one conciousness. Hopefully they will publicize whatever they find--I really doubt they will if they are successful. The public is too closed minded to digest most topics.

 

id entirely agree with this statement, though im still an atheist. it's not logical to say watching the sunset makes me feel more lovely than laughing at a tv show... but it's true. i cannot explain life, but i can feel it, without having the need to believe in god

not at all!! though spelling and grammar mistakes annoy me i might be the only one apart from hikaru here that agrees with you, but i think what you're saying is very well-founded. i often feel patronised by people who come in here trying to "teach" us what life is about. im sorry, but i have my own beliefs, and i'll not change from being an atheist unless i come to a conclusion by myself.