survival gardening or guerrilla gardening

If this system should collapse, we may not be able to buy veggies at the store.

There may be many very hungry people that want some of your garden produce and although I’m not against sharing with others, I’m thinking that a whole farm may not be enough to help everyone.

In any case the authorities may not be all that friendly anymore and we may want to avoid being found by them and a conventional garden would be easily spotted and draw them to us.

So I guess my question is; what is everyone planning to do about growing their own veggies without being caught? Honestly canned goods can only last so long.

 

What exactly is that you see as as a system that is about to collapse? I haven't heard of anyone trying to close down my tomatos or peppers or personal vegetable garden. I've yet to see the government step in and tell me I can't mow or rototill. I have seen the prior government tell me they were going to trace my phone calls and internet usage. Where were you against those restrictions? Where did you stand on the patriot act?

 

Draw who to us? What exactly are you growing?

 

I plan to plant my garden and harvest just as I always have. And I have hopes that my lettuce will do better this year than last. And I am slways willing to share.

 

gardener,its a hypothetical scenario,if you dont wanna play,STFU!!

owb,as good lil survivalists we have plans if it was to come to the point where we had to bug out..

and as good lil survivalists,i really dont want to go into detail..

i will say use common sense,know your terrain,get as remote as possible, grow small plots, use the angles of the sun to protect plants from being seen from above as much as possible.

in this scenario you can learn a lot from watching videos of the outdoor pot gardeners on youtube actually.. not much difference in a SHTF bug out scenario..

hope that helps.

 

Bug out...you don't even know how to plant a garden. Take a horitculture couse , pull a few weeds learn to propagate. Survivalist...who's washing your shorts for you?

You go ahead and plot the sun and raise your little plots.

 

what makes you assume he doesnt know how to plant a garden?
aint you bein all high and mighty??

why are you being such a fucking troll old man??

 

Not trolling wondering why you plant whiz kids don't seem to know where to plant your crap. I am putting my garden in as we speak. I expect to harvest quite a bit, and I am not hunkered down watching for government spies that might take it out before it's ripe.

I don't think they're interested in zuccini, tomatos and peppers.

 

i know how and what and where to plant conventionally asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have over 180 cabbage broccoli and brussel sprouts,60 square feet of carrots,1/8 of a acre of taters, spinach,lettuce and assorted greens, beets,kale,chard,turnips,parsnips,radishes,green onions and kohlrabi in the ground now here. we have our summer seeds started in the greenhouse.we are 100% organic,we save all our own seeds for the following years planting ,DO YOU?? we are not amateur gardeners here! we grow 100% of our vegetables here!! do you??

this is a new and interesting concept to some and some see it as possibly being a necessary means of survival at some point.times are going to get tough and people WILL raid your gardens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to insinuate that we dont know how to grow a garden because we are looking at alternative methods is both narrowminded and insulting !

congratulations,youve now made my shit list..

ill be sure and make sure you dont forget your on it you pompous asshole!!

 

What should be new and interesting to new gardeners is growing things, not hiding them from the authorities. I am always open to anwering questions and sharing advice, but not under these circumstances. You can get into big trouble planting crap on property that doesn't belong to you.

 

The Lady doth protest too much me thinks!

Not once has either HHB or myself said anything about planting on land that doesn't belong to us and yet....

You keep bringing it up; I'm beginning to wonder....

Yes or no, have you stopped planting "crap" on other peoples property yet?

 

I've never planted anything on land that does not belong to me. But I have had experience with plantings that have gone wild and been difficult to contain. As of today I am in no way concerned that anyone is going to control what I plant on my own land. I am a little concerned that you are so paranoid about the prospect.

I've always planted everything in the best location possible. I wasn't looking to hide my plantings I was more interested in finding the best location for each planting. I am a little worried that the main focus of this thread seems to be in hiding plantings, not the optimal conditions for cultivation of the plant. And little or no consideration seems to be taken in ascertaining whether or not they can escape cultivation and become pests.

 

well last i knew food was quite important n when the gooberment begins sticking their nose where it dont belong n hinting about such things as codex alimentarius , the (oregon bill) Substitute Senate Bill 5678 and HR 875 among others, it is perhaps time to start thinking of different ways to circumvent such things while still being able to continue eating food we grow for ourselves instead of what the feds deem is appropriate...

 

Phew, I’m glad to hear that you’re not planting on other people’s land, the way you kept bringing it up when no one else was talking about it, I was beginning to worry about you.

As for “plantings that have gone wild and been difficult to contain”, what were you trying to grow? Most of the common veggies I’ve grown, I’ve never found difficult to contain, more often than not they're just difficult to grow at all.

I don’t see why you can’t do both.

As for finding the best location for each planting, I really don’t see how you do that with conventional gardening, which is basically just changing the same ground in the same area to grow all sorts of plants that have different growing requirements.

Although I know the story of kudzu, the plants I’m talking about are all either native or have been grown in North America for over two hundred years and if they were going to become pests then they already would have done so years ago.

 

to answer the original posters question there are things you can do.

Gurrilla gardening is a thing that took off in the UK where bands of people would plant in empty lots in the middle of the night. They did it for the better good to beautify and create something nice out of a useless piece of land.
Is it wrong yes it is trespassing. Different people have different views on this I know.


Anyway to survival gardening.
If we had a SHTF scenario (SHTF Stuff Hits The Fan) and we had to rely on survival techniques. Food would become scarce very quickly. We've seen riots and floods of people wipe out grocery stores in large scale emergencys very quickly such as hurricane katrina, hurricanes in florida, floods, fires, war torn countries, etcetcetc. The first thing most people do is run to walmart and clean out the shelves. Thats great for a while but what happens after those shelves are empty and there is no more food coming in because trucks cant bring fresh food and water.
This is not some paranoid scenario its very real. People on need be in one of these situations to see how bad it can get and how quickly people can turn on one another. Katrina in America was one of the worst.
Anyone who has seen the tv series Jericho can relate too.
I figure we cant rely on hunting because ever bubba with a gun is going to go kill ever living thing in the woods when it really gets bad.
People will be looking to prey on the weak or more prepared and just take from them.
Hiding your food gardens is a good idea.
Heres a few tips
1. dont make large flat open fields that are perfectly tilled up. This is obvious and easy to spot
2. look up Forest Gardening lots of permaculture people do this.
3. grow things that arent obvious. for example most people know what strawberries are and look like so someone walking by will see them and simply pick them and eat them.
grow things that are less obvious. Many herbs, garlic, onions, and similar plants can be planted in a woodland setting under the base of trees and around landscaping. Many off these things look like weeds and the common non gardening person wouldnt recognize these things as FOOD.
4. vines muscadines, grapes, kiwi, and more all grow on vines that can grow up the sides of trees. This doesnt stand out like a perfect trellis that you have in the middle of a field.
5 fruit and nut trees these are more obvious to most people but can be mixed in to the woodland and hidden easier.

Hope that helps some for the original posters question.

 

Thanx, Very helpful.

As for guerrilla gardening I thought I was coining a new phrase, should have known better. What I was thinking of when I said it was when you become a guerrilla, what kind of gardening will feed you yet keep you from being caught.

 

One book I read said:

Gardeners will require very fast-growing, high-yield garden vegetables that average people won’t recognize growing out in what seems like the wild.

That these vegetables are easy to process and are nutritious is another bonus. These are the garden items experts always suggest: Potatoes, green beans, carrots and zucchini.

Potatoes just barely made the list. Even though they produce more food per unit of land than any other crop on earth, they are relatively difficult to grow and store.

 

Also think about planting perennials. Things that come back year after year instead of annuals. This way you dont have to save or buy seed.
Also if you do plant annuals plant things whos seeds are easy to keep like beans.

 

heirloom annuals will reseed themselves when left in the wild..

 

one user mentioned potatoes think about jerusalem artichokes too. They produce nice sunflowers up top and are tubers beneath the ground. They can take over in some places which in my mind is a good thing.
most people wouldnt recognize these and are good raw or cooked.