Hey everyone, I was gonna put this on China's guide, but I think it should be its own post. I think the most important part of getting through WD's is by weaning off you dose before you deal with the withdrawal. I know this isn't possible or probable for everyone, but if you can I promise it will make that miserable week or so of WD's WAY, WAY easier. I found this on the internet at some point in the past but I will still share it with the HF. The secret of this method is to give yourself a couple of days to adjust to each lower dose. The secret is to cut your total daily dose by approx 1/3 each time you cut back. ALSO, you must give yourself about 3-4 days at that lower dose to give you brain a chance to adjust to the change in brain chemistry. This is what doc's recommend for opiate users (esp if you use has not been longer then about a year) and it has worked very well for me in the past. Once half assed and once for real with a pretty good tolerance-not what some people have but definitely bigger then many. Don't worry if you slip up once or twice, but do your best to follow the schedule. Once you get down to a dose that you think you can deal with the WD's from, or when you wont need much (if you can get it) sub/done to get through. I will show an example schedule for someone who is doing approx. 100mg of oxy a day. ------------------------------------------------- Days 1-3: cut you dose from 100 mg down to around 60-70 mg/day. Try and spread it out thru the day so you are taking it evenly spread throughout the day. If you feel this is an easy drop, go a little lower but not too far because this will help in the long run. You want to stick with this for about 3 days. It may seem easy, it may seem hard but you if your not getting sick and stuff just imagine the end results. Days 4-7: Cut your dose from 60 mg/day down to about 40/day. This drop is gonna be alittle more difficult but it shouldn't be too bad. Again, stay on this plan for a few days and continue to cut ur self some slack and keep up with the advice China gives you on his WD guide. Once you get thru this first week of weaning you will probably be itching to get faded but you gotta stay strong. Days 8-11: This cut is gonna be one of the toughest. Going from a 40 a day down to about 25,g is kinda tough. Just keep following the same deal as the first two cuts and you should get through it . If you have access to some subs or dones you may want to stop weaning after this step but I would go one more cut and get down to the 15mg/day level. Days 2-14: This is the big drop where you should get down to around 15 mg / day. Once again, its the same deal as before. You just gotta stay focused on stopping being a slave to the pills and finish off the taper you started 2 weeks ago. After a few days at this level, if you have some subs or dones then you should be able to stop with minimal WD's. Once again, follow China's WD guide and you should be feelin fine about a week after stopping, once you got yourself to 15/day. If you dont have any opiate blockers I would do one more wean to around 5 mg twice per day. Days 15-21: If you have no blockers, you should spend about a week eating 5mg in the morn and 5mg before bed. At some point you prob wont NEED the perc in the morning but you will still WANT it. JUST STAY FOCUSED ON YOU GOAL. Once you have gotten down this low you should be able to stop pretty easily, esp when you think what it woulda been like stopping on a 100mg+ habit cold turkey. ------------------------------------------------- I hope this taper schedule helps some people out there. It did wonders for me and really gave me my freedom back, as well as the ability to eat oxycodone again, after about 2 months off for good measure, and not be paranoid about how I will be the next day. This should help with the physical symptoms but the mental issues are a whole separate can of worms. If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me. I would love to help people out as it is WAY, WAY, WAY better once you are not a slave to the pills anymore. You'll get though it...
Yea, I posted a thread exactly like this a while back: Tapering Down But it barely got any recognition, so hopefully this one will be stickied or something.
yea Euph, that is pretty much what i was talking about. I guess i probably did originally get that plan from opiophile, I used to love that site but everyone there thinks they are better then the public and they never would let people join. Also, if your not rippin down at least 120 mg/day they will tell you that you are a noob and you shouldnt even talk about your experiences. The taper plan really does work and I hope that it can save just one person from the misery of WDs.
I really dislike people like that. And yea I hope this thread actually gets more attention this time around.
its not the tapering part thats difficult. In theory it is almost flawless. However, the problem with addicts is that they have shit in front of them and have no self control so the tapering plan goes out the window. If they could follow it it would make that week a WHOLE lot easier, they just cant do it. So they end up getting a little more addicted and going cold turkey anyway. Catch 22 either you lose or you lose. Some of us do have that kind of self control, but those are the ones who dont get addicted in the first place. Now that Im done hatin, that was very informative and I believe it could possibly help someone.
Slingblade, I deff get what you are saying. Self control when it comes to opiates is ridiculous. I know kids who can control themeselves fine but when it comes to guys they just rage anything they can get their hands on. The way I got over the self control problem, because this plan worked for me and I have no self control, is by only buying the amount i needed for the day from my guy. I would only leave my house with the right amount of cash and I would tell him how many i wanted before I left. Then I would get there, make up some bullshit about needing to leave early and not just chill, and just leave. Lastly, I assumed that people who are looking at this post want to actually stop. The biggest thing I've learned about stopping is that you have to want to stop. If that is not the first step there is no hope. You will come up with some way, or some justification to buy more or do more and you'll be where you started in no time. I just did some guy so don't think I am a hypocrite. But if I can help it I wont NEED to take these things again, except for real pain, I will only want to take them.--- hope that helps clear shit up. Stay Positive...
Yes Yes Yes. Sooo true about getting one guy per day. If your man is reliable and you don't have to cop in bulk (scratch this if he only comes around once a week/month, ect.) this really helps you not to go overboard. The tough part, IMO, is not railing damn near all of your stash as soon as you get it. Like philly says if your WILLING to stop, you can. If your still interested in getting fucked up and don't care about the toll it takes then this method isn't for you (for the moment at least). Nevertheless I know some guys who SWEAR by the weaning-down method so if your looking for something new and don't have easy access to subs, try to get your hands on some benzos (for potentiating the high/sleeping) and give it a shot.
...by the way... "Shut your fucking face, Uncle Fuckaaaa You're a cocksucking asslicker, Uncle Fuckaaaa You're and Uncle Fucka, yes it's true Nobody fucks uncles quite like you!" bahaha
tapering works for people who are physically dependent due to medical use and not for the high. doctors are usually good at tapering plans to get their patients off the meds. the reason for this is because any person who gets to the point of getting physically dependent for non-pain related reasons is an addict who can't control their use. now, im certainly not saying addicts can't quit, but they almost always can't control and moderate their use while still physically and mentally addicted and with drugs at their disposal. they may be able to do it for a short period of time and there may be exceptions who can finish the job but the vast, and i mean vast majority cannot. but thats not to say they cant lose the dependence, they just need to not have access to pills. ive always been a firm believer that someone trying to lose a physical dependence is way, way better just going cold turkey. its not dangerous, so its just a matter of taking the pain. think about it. nothing will happen to you so why not just do it the quick way and get it over with? not doing that and continuing to use is just fooling yourself, its the easy way out. you're still doing the drug you're trying to quit. only reason i could possibly see if someone can't afford to be sick for a few days. but in a way i think its more painful to taper. its such a long process and mentally draining knowing u have pills and not being able to have fun with them. its still physically painful because youre taking a lower use than your body is used to, and you're continuing to use that mental crutch, which you are just putting off have to get rid of. bottom line is if you want to lose a physical dependence and can afford to be a sick for a couple days then man up and stop altogether. everything equals out, and if you put yourself in an opiate-numbed bliss for months, you're going to have to take the pain. there's no painless way out, that's just the mindset of an addict who always wants to be comfortable and is always thinking about the now. okay thats it, im f*cked up right now. wow.
