Wow.... my mind is just starting to unspin from 30mg insulfated dpt-hcl. I can't believe people regularly do 100mg. That would have completely blown my mind. I almost did another 30 after a few minutes because it seemed light.....but then it hit me. I kept thinking how glad I was that I didn't. I thought I was just testing it out....but man....that was a full blown experience. Obviously at a loss for words...definitely a visual vibration like I've heard. Strong body high....moved slowly with some lack of coordination and stability. Had to just lay down in the dark and try to keep composure....trying not to fight it. Not the most pleasant feeling to insulfate. I think I'll try making some freebase next time, but likely not for a while. Definitely more confusing then ecstatic....but it may have had to do with set and setting. I wasn't ready for a full experience in the least. I'm just starting to feel some tightness in my stomach....but, maybe because I'm hunched over at a computer. Serious stuff.
oh man i cant wait to get ahold of some of this this summer. ive heard all good things about it. was 30mg a little too much for a first time then?
So...after a nights sleep: Received some DPT-HCL in the mail Wednesday. About 8:00PM weighted out 30 mg of DPT-HCL. It was a pinking brown powder with some hard clumps and a floral smell. I figured it was less than a 3rd of normal dose, so I'd be functional, so I didn't make any plans to avoid responsibilities or phone calls. I didn't tell my wife I'd be "unavailable" for a while as I normally would. Chopped it up with a razor blade to make it as fine as possible and got a small plastic piece of a straw. It brought back memories of cocaine, which I haven't done in at least 10 years. At about 8:10, I snorted 2 small lines. It caused some numbing, and tasted bad, but not much worse than cocaine. It came on slowly. I walked around a little, looked at a few paintings I had leaning on a wall, and definitely felt something more than placebo, but not tripping. I gave it a few minutes, and then weighted out another 30 mg and chopped it up. The effects were still strengthening, and I could tell that there was still some in my sinuses that didn't dissolve, so I waited a few minutes. Took a little walk around and noticed some uneasiness and stability issues. Still not really tripping, but feeling funny. I decided to hold off on the other 30 mg since I wasn't prepared and see how the first dose progressed. This was when I started to lose composure a little, and my mind stopped working as normal. Definitely tripping. Almost the feeling I've had before after tripping for a long time on mescaline, and being a little tired of it. Not so much a happy, in touch with the world feeling as a confused hard to think feeling. I went upstairs and everything seemed odd and shiney, but not a lot of visuals. Went to the bathroom and tried to figure out what to do. It was one of those times where you feel like at this point it's too hard to explain what you did and how you feel, so I shyed away from telling my wife. I still haven't, and probably won't, just because I'll feel devious now that I hid it. I told her I felt a little nauseous and went upstairs...trying to think if that was normal, or if I'd normally talk more about the nausea....but up to bed to lay in the dark. Thinks were getting intense, and the room seemed to flicker like a black and white movie was playing nearby. I figured that was the vibration effect. I thought, "I can see why people could interpret this as being Jesus Christ or the holy ghost or something. There's some energy running through me." I noted the time: 8:31 PM and though to myself, I just have to make it through the hour and I'll be fine. I never felt worried that I wouldn't be fine in an hour, but did think that the hour would probably take a long time and really wasn't enjoying myself. I started to think about why I ever do psychedelics. Are they ever pleasant? Do they just make me uneasy with myself? Should I pack them away for a few years? Is this why I stopped last time for so long? I didn't feel that good. I looked back at the clock after a while....amusing myself before I did that I hoped it wouldn't be 8:32 now. It was 8:40 something, so I realized I could make it through, but I was definitely just waiting it out. I thought maybe it's that I did too little. Not for my situation, because I wasn't prepared. But, there's definitely an uneasy feeling if I take too little DMT. If I chicken out when smoking DMT, or just fail at it, I often get uneasy for the duration since I didn't have enough. Maybe DPT is similar, in that you have to take a lot and be ready to be out of commission for a little while for it to be enjoyable. I thought about Aya. I'm not willing to take an MAOI, so I'm probably never going to try it, but I have wanted to have the experience. I thought, maybe I don't want a long trip that's so intense. It's definitely a labor. By about 9PM, I was starting to feel a little better. Enjoying the flicker and trying to enjoy my state of mind more so that I would feel better. Through the whole thing I kept thinking, "Am I fighting it, is that what's making it unpleasant." But, I'm not sure that I was. At about 9:30, I still felt the effects, but was coming down and enjoying myself more. I had a knot in my stomach, similar to what I occasionally get from mushrooms. I ate, and felt fine, but definitely a tightness. In general, it was interesting. I will definitely try making some freebase soon and try that eventually.....probably pretty soon since I'm an experimenter and a somewhat unpleasant experience doesn't usually deter me. It seems like one of the most legal RCs. It's not considered a potential analog on erowid like so many others. So, I felt much more comfortable ordering it than other RCs. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to my friends as I do most psychedelics. I think it has a strong potential for freak out, and lasts a long time compared to DMT, so it could be quite difficult. I think it's time for me to take a nice dose of LSD next time. That's always easy and happy for me. I need to show myself why I like psychedelics again....or maybe I won't like it, and I'll stop for a while.
Never tried 5-meo-dmt, just nn-dmt. Otherwise just the regular stuff: LSD, mushrooms, cactus, 2ci for psychedelics. So, I don't have much to compare it to. I think 30mg would have been good for the first time if I was more prepared. I just wasn't ready for something so powerful! I really wonder what 100 would be like. Definitely not something that I'd want to be moving around with.
I just made some freebase. (What can I say...when I have something new I get excited.) It went reasonably well. The funny thing was that when I weighted the "30mg" I set aside last night, it weight 15mg. So, maybe I did do one line of the 2nd 30mg after all and just forgot...or was sloppy cleaning up and lost a bunch. So, it's possible I really did about 45mg last night.....not very scientific, sorry. To make the freebase, I put 250mg of dpt powder in a little water. I used spring. Distilled would probably be much better, but I didn't have any around. I put it in a little jar, and then put the jar in a little warm water to help it dissolve. It seemed like it almost all dissolved after a few minutes and stirring a little by tilting the little jar. Hopefully, none vaporized. Then added about 40mg of NaOH (based on molar mass ratio. Coincidentally it turned out to be about one mole of each.) NaOH is very heavy...so it was just a tiny amount. Some probably stuck to the playing cards I was weighing with. Those usually work out pretty well, but not with lye. When I added that to the jar there was the regular sizzling and heat. Made me think maybe I didn't have to worry about all the DPT dissolving because it would when the NaOH was added. I probably could have used less water too. It did made an clumpy oily substance floating in the water, but it didn't clump into one big piece. It was a lot of little pieces floating around. I used a turkey needle like you can get at the grocery store to sew a turkey shut. (great BTW for cleaning out mj bowls and stuff - I've always used them for that. It about a 4 in poker with a little loop at the end.) Some of the oil stuck to the needle as I stirred it. Then I wipe on some rosemary, and repeated about 10 times. I think I remember hearing the "Temple of True Inner Light" uses rosemary...hopefully it doesn't taste awful. I zeroed out the scale with the rosemary and then kept adding the oily stuff. It was hard to be precise because the scale shut off a bunch of times so I had to add it up in my head, but I think I got maybe 150mg out or so. Then I poured the remaining water with some oil still in it into a bigger cup to let dry, and the little jar has some oil stuck on the side that I'll probably try to wipe out with some more rosemary after the water in the jar dries a little. Definitely not the easiest thing to work with....oil floating in water. But, I was willing to try it out and okay if I lost the 250mg....so I'd consider it a mild success. I think the remaining water should just be water and table salt...I almost took a dab and tasted it, but was to scared I'd melt my tonge with lye. The pipe that's usually used for DMT is actually loaded with some DMT now, so I'll have to either use a different pipe, or smoke my DMT first. (For some weird ritual reason, I often leave my DMT pipe loaded. After coming down, I reload another hit...in anticipation for the next time...it usually stays fine in the pipe. I don't think I've left it for more than a few weeks before.) I have this groovy looking, old tobacco pipe I've had since I was a kid that I got in Greece. I think I might use that just because it would be cool. I'll probably end up trying it pretty soon (days not hours) and I'll post the results. I'll plan ahead much better this time.
Oh shoot!! It was raspberry leaves, not rosemary.... (http://www.csp.org/nicholas/A58.html) Maybe it's okay, there's some mention of people inhaling rosemary smoke to ward off illness I saw here (http://www.essortment.com/all/whatisrosemary_rqlg.htm) so maybe I'll be okay....I'll try not to burn it.
So, I tried the freebase a few times. The rosemary wasn't too bad, and I didn't burn much of it, so it seemed like an okay medium. I was a little disappointed. It was better because there was less body high (no coordination trouble) and much less anxiety (which may have been due to being prepared.) But, it wasn't particularly intense. Like a strong to medium mushroom trip for about 1 hour. I was under the impression that it was much more intense. It could be tolerance. I somehow equated it with DMT, so I was thinking it wouldn't have tolerance and would be super intense smoked...maybe both bad assumptions. I'll probably pack it away for now. I'm done experimenting with it for a while. It's nice to have on hand if I ever want to trip for an hour. I may also try smoking the HCL salt. There's been some positive reports of that.
I only took DPT once, and at a higher dose. It is one of the (excuse the perhaps over-simple description) weirdest psychedelics I've done. At higher doses, you hallucinate strange faces, aliens, people and even whole futuristic cities (in which you can explore in, as an observer). I was unable to differentiate between "I"/"me"/"myself" and things around me. Dose unknown.
I will be doing this in a few days. Will start with 1mg test dose because there are some scattered erowid reports of people having heart attacks off small doses. If 1mg doesn't make me feel bad in the heart, I will do 25mg, then 50mg, then 75mg, then 100mg
1337Carlos, did you smoke it, snort it, or something else? I was really expecting something like what you describe, but didn't get there. Mr. Writer, what's your plan of ingestion...I look forward to hearing how it goes.
I insufflated it, but I'm not aware of the dosage.. Guessing from the intensity, it was around 85mgs. That's guessing.
