maybe it wasn't a coincidence that jesus and extraterrestials made an appearance 2000 years ago... maybe jesus was an extraterrestial
How do you find it more likely? Just because there are a billion planets doesn't mean that there are great chances of life elsewhere in the universe. For any type of life as we know it to exist (including plants, bactieria, and even viruses) there has to be a few things. Most importantly, there has to be a exterior source of energy or else no reactions can occur. Every star has a "life belt" where planets are neither too hot nor too cool for "life sustaining" chemical reactions to occur. Now there are plenty of solar systems with suns like ours that would be able to sustain life, with one problem. They are almost all binary star systems. That means that when there IS a planet in the system, it is most likely falling in and out of the "life belts" of the two systems. That makes life virtually impossible. Out of the millions of stars out there, do you know how many singular solar systems have been discovered (excluding this one) with suns like ours that are singular solar systems with planets? Three. Yep, only three. The odds of extraterrestrials existing that are at all like us lessens considerably as we begin to realize what it actually takes for life to exist on this planet. Also, it is possible that they are as intelligent if not more so than we are. There is also, IMHO, a possibility that alien life is much LESS intelligent. Humans are probably the most intelligent forms of life on Earth. How many other forms of life exist on this planet alone? The vast majority of life as well know it is unintelligent or at best MARGINALLY intelligent. So, on what presupposition do you base your claims that alien life is more likely that God and even then, why do you think that they are more intelligent? Does it bother you to think that we are completely alone in the universe?
Does it bother you to think that we are completely alone in the universe? Alsharad Nope. But, the opinion that we are does, in a very minor way. I feel it is very egocentric to think that. What is the reasonable grounds to conclude we are alone? Does it bother you to think we are not? The Bible does mention a 'chariot, with wheels of fire, in the sky.' What if the original text was 'chariot wheel of fire'? That is a ringer for most UFO's. Many Angel contact accounts in the Bible fit the ET claims of our day very well. The strangers who visit Lot and warn him, and the ensuing destruction could both be ET. Some people state that we were tIn ancient Sumer, the first earthman/Goddess halfbreed was called 'adamae', earthling. I The only way some ET could explain gene splicing or genetic engineering to the untechnical, agrarian folk of earth back then would have been to say somthing fictional much like the Adam's rib tale.
interesting how aliens sort of fill in that gap of not wanting to be alone in atheists. religions have their gods.. and the atheist version is aliens.. though aliens have more probability than gods.. clearly there is something hardwired into human minds
"probabiltiy" jus' da facts, jack! remember: there's lies, damned lies, and statistics... anybody wanna post "the drake equation"? theists & ufo-ists are both responding to the cosmic query "are we alone in the universe?" (as to being "alone" on the earth --- if "big brains" is what is required for intelligence/sentience/self-awareness... well, even on this planet there are a few fellow critters with some definite possibilities: whales, dolphins, & other cetaceans; chimpanzees, gorillas, & other primates; elephants; & (honestly!) giant squid...) ~ & as for planets around other stars... well, the only way at the moment to detect planets around another star is to look for "wobble" in the position of the star over time (the wobble being caused by the gravitational tug of a planet typically much larger than jupiter!)... but it seems likely that planetary frmration is common around solitary primaries (& planets are prolly gonna tend to form more stable orbits around solitaries than around/through/between binaries, triples, clusters...) accretion of planetismals happens fairly quickly, and in "the life belt" (orbits within which planetary conditions could permit the presence of liquid water) seas & constant incoming volatiles & organics (in the form of "comet" impacts) would make for an east locale for "life" to develop... (pre-historical note: it seems that the earth had liquid water & may have even been developing life of some sort when the final planetismal accretion occured --- a roch about the size of mars smashed into the ancient earth at several miles per second, instantly boiling off the oceans & the atmosphere, & pushing a blob of planetstuff off the far side into an orbit, producing our double planet system, the earth&moon... & the earth had to sorta "start over" again, cooling off & accreting more cometstuff for building an atmosphere & seas... & life...) so... the rock has to be big enough to have a gravfield adequate to hold enough gas to have pressure sufficient for water to be liquid... & the distance from the primary has to be such that internal planetary heat-processes, & influxing energy from solar radiation & out going losses to radiative dissapation & solar winds, etc. come to a nice balance... somewhere between freezing & boiling, mmmkay? and sufficient volatiles & organics (they are everywhere) for self-replicating chemical reactions to occur... no problem...
What is this, not wanting to be alone gap? I have no pre-determined need or desire for either aliens, or God to exist. I just try to read as much as I can about life to decide what I believe. Presently, I believe in Spirit, which I cannot define, except to say it defies scientific laws, and I have seen many instances of miracles, which have confirmed my belief. Regarding aliens, I have not seen a ufo, and I would say I tend to believe there is such a phenomena, though the reason I do is that I believe some of the people who have written about their experiences. If they lied, then I was wrong. I would love if you provided some more info. re: the probability statement. And if you could research the final statement, to see if in fact there is anything to it. Let me know.
IN ANY CASE it doesn't matter. We are currently alone, and to find out that aliens existed would be the same as a really smart monkey being born on earth. Merely another species able to consider its existence which is completely devoid of meaning. Thumontico __________________ I agree that it, in the end, it doesn't matter either way. I disagree that we are alone, and would like if you gave more of evidence to support why you state so unequivocally that we are alone. If it is just your own belief based on your life, then I would ask you: Just because you have not done, seen, or experienced something, do you doubt it exists? Secondly, do you feel so confident because of your faith in science and logic being able to dismiss such phenomena as bunk? I hope that your final statement about existence being completely devoid of meaning is not sad for you. I have meaning in my life, and when I read that I felt sad for you, but, maybe this does not sadden you.
I probably have more in common with you than I do with most followers of particular religions, and I do not at all feel it is artificial that you create meaning in your own life. I am happy to hear that I was wrong in sensing sadness when I read the 'no meaning' comment last post. I would live the same way whether or not there is a god, as I feel it is important to stand by ones own principles regardless of the existence of a higher power. I do not believe in heaven and hell, but tend to believe in reincarnation. I am by no means certain about any of it though, and would not be surprised at all to find all my beliefs are wrong.
