Gay men are annoying

I would say it's primarily parental.

Monkey see Monkey do.

Maybe social in second....Girl gets raped and goes lez. Guy has a bad experience with a girl and goes gay.

Blegh. Idk. Takes a lot of thought for all of these. But you can always choose your orientation IMO.

 

You cannot choose who you're attracted to. I dont know of a single person who says they can choose it. You can certainly choose who you go out with/sleep with, but that's a different matter entirely. A gay man who has a girlfriend to hide his sexuality from others is still gay. In other words, a gay man acting straight is still gay.

How is it parental? Children aren't brought up to be gay by parents, and the overwhelming majority of children are surrounded by straight peers and parents. If "monkey see, monkey do," most gay people wouldn't be gay. Again, there's not a shred of evidence to back that claim up. The fact that some gay people are actually disowned by family/parents is evidence on it's own that the notion that it's parental is nonsense. Certainly, a gay man could "choose" to be with a woman, but it doesn't mean that he'd enjoy it. And that is the key factor. Not who you choose to be with, but who you're attracted to. I am not gay, but i certainly have no control over who I'm attracted to. And I'm sure for most people, it is the same.

 

I agree with you, I never said it was all nurture. by the sound of it you are a 90% nature 10 % nurture guy. I'm more 50/50. Thats where we differ, who's right who's wrong, who the hell knows.

And I never said it was just one cause, yes some guys that get smothered by girls early on end up straight, what if its two/three things combined: Guy that gets smothered by girls early on, starts off with a more feminine brain and has a timid temperament ends up gay, guys that are only 2 or 1 of those things end up straight

 

I'm not a guy

Yes, i do believe it's far more to do with nature than nurture. That is an interesting theory, yet i still believe it is too generalising. To reitirate, i really don't think that all feminine gay guys were brought up in the way that you described, nor do i think all butch females turn out the way they do because of how you described either. And for the nurture arguement to really hold any weight, they would have all had to have been brought up in the SAME way. Otherwise, the arguement loses it's legs. I think certainly people can be influenced to be a certain way, but that isnt really the same thing. As lots of people suffer serious mental problems later in life if the way they actually are conflicts with how they've been influenced to behave. I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but certainly i think nature has a far bigger role to play than nurture. Purely because lots of people grow up in ways that they really shouldn't, if how you're brought up really has such a big bearing on your sexuality.

 

This is what I'm talking about...It's a fucking wormhole of possibilities lol.

I'll imagine it this way. God's all high and mighty sitting in his big old chair watching babies being born, tossing out ideas, saying "Oh! Looks like little timmy's gonna be gay from birth! Oh and little Ms. Lisa will have a horrible accident with her uncle and a banana and turn gay at 13"

Yea I have no idea.

 

Meant loophole. Whoops-a-doodle.

 

Again Agreed, And I was overgeneralizing to make it concise. I get what youre saying, I used to think that way

That would only be the case if gay was the one thing. If you reverse that logic if gay was the one "cause" every gay person should end up the same.


As I said, I used to think that way. But with the nature part, that influence doesnt end at birth; the most important organ in regards to sexuality is the brain, and that doesnt finish developing till around 21, So you've got one part of the nature part whos influence isnt set till around that age. We all pop out with genes telling us how the brain is roughly going to be put together, but how most of those neurons are put together comes from learning. Everything in human speech is learned, as to with vision, hearing.

In fact the brain and five senses get developed before the sex organs do.

Hmm, so what have I established?, That one type of gay might come from guy that pops out shorter than average, timid, feminine brain, girly looking, extra sensitive to high pitch, visually trained on men cos he didnt see daddy enough, socially trained to be more like a girl cos he had three older brothers, trained with the girly voice cos he had to compete with a sister, likes the smell of men cos it reminds him of his pet rover when he was 3.

LOL, I think I have given myself a headache. I think I'm just going to go back to "Can't is just be about loving a big hard cock?"

 

Here, Vanilla. I'll solve this for you right now.

Shit happens. That's how you turn gay. End of story.

Goodnight, folks.

 

Fuck, this topic has rattled a few people hasn't it?

I guess people will have to agree to disagree for the most part. However I will say this, for me, personally, if I could chose my sexuality I wouldn't be gay, that's proof enough to me that it is built into my personality. I am proud of who I am, but it is hardly an ideal position to place yourself in?

I mean, with the family and lifestyle I have, if it truly is a 50/50 split between nature and nurture, I would probably be bisexual at least

All in all mind, Vanilla is right to at least some degree (frivolous dig!), enjoyment of the male genitalia is at least what it all comes down to, in the bigger scheme of things.

 

I have heard a few gay people saying they would much rather be straight than gay, because life would be much easier if they were straight. I think that by itself is quite good evidence that gay people cannot help being the way they are. Whether nurture has any part to play in sexuality, maybe we'll never know for sure. What is certain, is your sexuality is what it is, and cannot be chosen, at least your attractions can't be.

 

Well, I think everybody imagines life through anothers eyes.

Geography and Age really, Definately somewhat easier living in a big city being gay than in Nowheresville.

And I think for just about everybody; gay, straight, whatever, in teens you'll have a far better time of it being closer to average, as you get older, better off being further away from average, as everyone your age gets bored of "normal"

 

That has an element of truth in that, though I've yet to hear a straight person saying they wish they were gay. And that their lives would be easier if they were gay

I think it depends on the city, and i think in most city's, a young person coming out as gay while still attending school, would result in a lot of bullying for said person. I do think young people have much more pressure applied to them to be "normal", which is probably why lots of people don't come out until much later in life. It's a shame, but i know that's the way it is for lots of gay people. Especially young gay people.

 

No. I believe the Male is the masculine, buff, football guy (By that I mean straight) figure in the teens, while the girls aren't frowned upon if they're bi or even gay.

Long story short. We live in a fucked up place. I'm just gonna quit complaining about everyone, sit back, maybe take some shrooms, and smoke while I watch videos of trippy shit.

Sure, I don't care for gays (men) one bit. But I'm not gonna keep complaining about it. What's gonna happen? Another holocaust including just gays?

As enjoyable as that'd be to me. Alas, I believe every country will press "The big red button" before that shit goes down.

I don't see us on this Earth for much longer. Lets enjoy it, Eh?

 

That's all a bit crass isn't it. I don't feel another futile stoner should frown upon a gay community. No offense, but you didn't have to get offensive..

And yeah, on the note of younger gay people, there is definitely more of a strain to be normal, rather than just being yourself. I think Spikes rather bigoted view on gays and holocaust speaks for itself. THAT is why younger people are afraid to step out of the closet.

 

Well, I for one prefer Spike just say it like it is.

To me, its the unspoken discrimination I hate the most.

If I met someone like Spike in real life and he says it as he calls it, then I can work out then and there we aint really going to get on. More frustrating is the person that tries to be PC, you invest some time trying to make a new friend only to hear a month later any excuse in the book except the truth why they dont want to hang out any longer.

Everyone has at least one type of people/group they cant stand, dont want to bother knowing about, or simply dont have time to care