Hey so theres this pretty good friend of mine and has had really really bad OCD and depression in the past and now mainly OCD and has been doing well. He had to stay home from school sick because of his depression and all that before, so I am worried that it might negatively affect his mindset. He has been on all different sorts of medications and does energy pills and stuff to keep him awake and "happy" but he has been seemingly normal and happy lately. I just dont want a shroom trip to set him off in the wrong direction. The Interesting part is that his mom told him that he could do it if he really wanted to but to be careful and all (because she knows he would anyway and that they have already tried so much in the past) ..but he is really into medicine and has researched shrooms and believes it will help him with his OCD and head aches. I think it could, and i am prepared to trip with him and make sure its a good expereince because ive done it before. We have smoked weed and I think he felt the affects and was cool about it, but drugs work different with him than other people so i really dont know if it would be a good idea for him to trip or not. If anyone has any response or helpful information, please show websites or some kind of resource, thanks.
with questions like this your going to get a bunch of answers from a bunch of people who all think different things. i can almost guarantee that this thread could go on for 10 pages and you wouldn't know anything definitive. it sounds like you already know the potentials. psychedelic drugs are highly variable from person to person, and any number of things could happen to your friend. no one can know what those things will be if he decides to trip. he should just know that mushrooms could deepen his depression, they could help him get through it, or they could have no effect at all. same goes for his OCD. at that point it's really just a question of whether he is willing to take the risk or not.
It's random. They could help, or they could hurt. Also the medication he's on may block the mushrooms if they are SSRIs or give him an unpleasant time if they are uppers. but there's nothing you can do to help him with his trip, it's his trip to take, and it could be the worst infernal hell he'll ever visit in his life or it could be the moment that changes his life and he becomes the happiest person you know the next day. or something in between. or nothing.
For what it's worth I was diagnosed with OCD and haven't had a bad trip, but my symptoms also disappeared (although not entirely, they were 98% gone) long before I did a psychedelic.
Yeah, i have severe ocd, i wont even get into the things i do because of it, and ive shroomed 5 times and the only bad trips i had were from bad settings and such, so just make sure the set and setting are good. If hes taking anti depressant medication, he has to stop taking it for 2-3 weeks before he does trip, because SSRIS (most common anti depressants) block psychedelics, and if he is taking uppers he should stop taking those the day of the trip because those could totally change the trip. Good luck
if you do it, i wouldnt put any bad ideas in his head. allow him to go into it thinking it will help his depression and headaches, and if thats the case i think you should be alright.
i mostly disagree, it is primarily dependent on the context. it could be beneficial under certain circumstances, such as therapy, in a religious context, or independently (given the right conditions) but just taking them blindly is not likely to help, its more likely to head south pretty quickly
it's funny that when i first started posting on this site i would have agreed with you now i'm much more towards what say stonerbill would say Just Do It.
I have horrible OCD, have had it my whole life. The only drugs that make it worse are opiates. Amphetamines and psychedelics make my obsessive habits disappear, or at least tolerable for the duration.
note that i didnt say it WOULD make anything worse, just that its less likely to help. anything is possible, and the miraculous has been attributed to psychedelics even under the worst conditions:cheers2:
The shrinks said I had BPD and depression, and I know after a 5g trip (first trip in years, as well as first trip after being diagnosed), I felt immensely better about life in general. I was much more sympathetic and less cynical to my fellow man, and felt much more at ease about my existance. I would say do it, but if he's OCD, I'd wager that set and setting will play a bigger role than it would with most people (I know it does with me). I'd reccomend a low stress enviorment with low chance of anyone you don't want coming around, as well as a good movie and music.
Yeah i have light OCD (used to be somewhat bad but has gotten a lot better through the years) and I also find it dissapears on these things. I think it has to do with OCD being serotonin-related. SRIs help it, and thus so would drugs that temporarily flood you with it (especially mdma, i feel free as a bird of all my habits on it!)
They definitely do for me. Psychedelics, amphetamines and alcohol help me to channel my obsessive thoughts and behaviors into productive activity, while opiates just make me lay there and freak out because I can move my big toe on my left foot up and down without touching the next toe, but I cant do it with my right foot lol. I'm not even kidding, I've spent hours on opiates before trying desperately to make it happen, and counting syllables, tones in a phone ring, making sure everything ends in odd numbers...good thing I associate left with odd and right with even or I might have killed myself by now :tongue:
psilocybin mushrooms temporarily relieve OCD symptoms. there is research showing how only sub-psychedelic doses biweekly are needed to keep OCD in remission. i'm willing to bet that small amounts of mushrooms are safer and healthier than any of the pharmaceutical serotonergic drug "therapies" they currently prescribe for the illness. anyway, your friend has depression and that's the bigger issue when it comes to tripping. if he has an inspiring experience it may even snap him out of it. or maybe he will be in hell for 6 hours. i'd only trip with him if you are very, very close friends.
