Awareness/bad trips and psychedelics

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its dose dependent, but some people even freak out on generally subpsychedelic doses. there is no universal rule for this, so don't expect much. but with normal doses, most reasonably level headed individuals are perfectly aware they took something which will pass.

i've never had but a threshhold dose of mescaline, but among the other three listed you're nowhere near "sober." probably the psychedelic i've tried closest to what it sounds like you're looking for is 2C-B. it's the most user friendly psychedelic i've ever had. but i think it can lack the depth of some of the other psychedelics.

i'm not sure you understand bad trips, and you seem really hung up on them. if this is the case, you probably shouldn't trip. its all a matter of perspective, and even scary or unpleasant trips are important. if you think a trip can be "bad" then you're far less likely to handle an unpleasant situation poorly.

but to answer your question more directly, there isn't a drug like that. if you have an unpleasant experience, you'll be just as wrapped up in it as the good experience.

as for the most out there, in my experience DPT and salvia extracts, but DMT is generally considering the most powerful and out-of-this-world psychedelic.

you dont become stupid. but your faculties may be impaired when it comes to some things. obviously driving would be a truly stupid idea. however, when stupid people take psychedelics, they are more likely to do stupid things than other people.

your mental processes will be altered in a way that is difficult to describe to the point that even the best descriptions fail to convey the actual experience, and it must simply be experienced to be understood. everyone will respond differently, but everyone will reach a very alien mindstate. if one is using psychedelics responsibly, respectfully and mindfully, then one will likely behave quite respectably. if one is being reckless or stupid, one will act recklessly or stupidly.

its up to you. don't do it just because your friends do.

and stay away from salvia. it's serious shit and not for fun.

 

good choice.

In my experience, extremely aware. And when you're not aware you're on a drug, it's because you took a dose so big that you no longer even have a 'me' concept; ie, only when shit gets REALLY abstract.

That depends on you, the drug, and the dose. I was able to control some bad minutes of a trip on LSD, but was absolutely raped by MDMA of all things. So, it's not so cut and clear.

Have you ever had a panic attack? A bad trip is essentially a super panic attack, so if you have experience with those, you've got a tremendous head start.

In order of clearest to most though-disordered, mescaline, lsd, mushrooms. I won't speak about any of the synthetics as I don't know much offhand, and I've never done mescaline myself but have read on it tons and read tons of experience reports, and it appears to be the most clear headed one. Acid can be a little confusing, and shrooms is just . . . un-mind.

None. They all involve you. They all involve YOU. On such a deep level that you've never been this honest with yourself, ever. This is the first time you're actually going to meet yourself. There's no cheating. There's no running away. This is several hours of you in your OWN mental landscape. Be prepared for that

Depends on you, the drug, and the dose. I didn't do anything stupid on 5 hits of acid. I didn't do anything stupid other than accidently spill a drink on shrooms. But I know other people who get into fist fights and try to rape girls after 3 beers, so it's a personal thing.

These are excellent questions and these were exactly the same questions I had as my last inquiry before I did it. And man am I happy I did

 

you should definitely not trip.

just don't.

 

lol you're so 100% nesta, either do it hells yeah or fuck don't do it

it's always conditional

condition being: since that hellish weed trip was a few months ago, how have your trips been since then? I'm assuming it was one of your first times on weed or something? have you been smoking regularly, getting to know your inner world, getting used to altering your mind profoundly?

what's your progress since that hellish trip

 

i disagree.

all the questions asked could be summed up as: "will i maintain control over myself?"

and the answer, in short, is "no."

now i've gotten uncomfortably stoned plenty of times. but never did i freak out, find it scary, or hellish. if a person is prone to anxiety issues, and a person freaks out sometimes from smoking weed (which happens, i'm not making fun) then they probably aren't going to handle psychedelics any better. it's not impossible that they'd be okay, but its less likely than not.

psychedelics will alter your mind more profoundly, and in a more bizarre, alien manner, than any joint ever will. if she can't deal with smoking a large quantity of cannabis, then taking LSD or mushrooms is a bad idea, and smoking salvia is a pretty fucking bad idea, too.

now if she is willing to give up any hope for control, being unfamiliar in such territory, then it would be okay. but if shes going to try and fight for control, going to be too unnerved by the peculiar qualities of a psychedelic trip, then its not for her. it won't be a fun time, which i get the sense is what she's after.

so yeah, i'd say it's a bad idea.

 

you are correct, there is plenty of time for you to try psychedelics later in life. and you may very well get more out of them.

i'm only 23, but i started tripping at 16 or 17. by now i've tripped well over 100 times, and for a long while i did it simply as a variety of entertainment. i feel i've matured sense then and have gotten much, much more out of it than i used to.

i view psychedelics as religious and psychological tools, not so much for having fun. sometimes it's fun. sometimes i've very much not. but you have to be open to either experience, and you have to do it in the right context if it will be worthwhile, imo

 

Ive had panic attacks many times while high on weed, and got the "gonna die" feeling, but never once has it happened to me while tripping.

I think when smoking weed, people don't take set and setting as seriously as when taking psychedelics, which is what caused my panic attacks. When i trip i always take great care in preparing my mind set and setting, which has always made for a beautiful experience.

 

thats true, and while i dont consider marijuana a true psychedelic, it is very much in the same vein and must be treated respectfully. further, paranoia is a standard side effect in many people, and this is not a result of legal issues. it has been well documented far before it was outlawed.

tripping may well be fine, but if someone in this situation is asking advice my advice is "don't do it," to err on the side of caution. we don't need more people freaking out and rushing to the hospital because they're tripping, we don't need more people with a bad opinion of psychedelics because they weren't prepared, we don't need to encourage someone to potentially subject themselves to what may be the worst experience of their lives, if they handle it poorly.

so yeah, my advice is don't do it. don't do it until all the questions raised are nonissues.

 

redhead, wait til your school bullshit is done. don't do psychedelics when you're stressin' balls over something. do it when you have an open schedule, and life is good.

 

i would agree completely with everything you said. marijuana needs to be respected more i think. i've been really wanting to emphasize the set and setting and create a sort of ceremonial vibe when getting high. i think marijuana is also just as sacred as harder psychedelics, and if you really are open, it can move along the process of ego-loss. i think i've had so many difficult times with marijuana because it's not strong enough to completely deconstruct you but it has its own tug and i've constantly gotten trapped between normal mundane reality and something more profound.

when you said you've gotten the "i'm gonna die" feeling, i've gotten that too, i truly think that a part of you does die once you go through that. i see that as a little purging of ego-loss.

i also think that so many people get inactive/tired/lazy/etc when they get stoned because they possibly don't realize that they are getting caught between two levels of perception and aren't surrendering completely to what Mary-Jane is trying to show them.

these are just my theories, but i have been going at this and experimenting with these theories for a long time now, just trying to pinpoint exactly where my subtle, yet profoundly torturing discomfort has come from while being high.

bottom line: treat marijuana with more respect and recognize its sacredness. no matter how times you've gotten stoned, i'd like to think that even if you feel like you know what it's all about, if you sharp-tune your awareness there's infinite discovery to be made when you're stoned.


sorry for the rant


now, back to the psychedelics....

 

i think that's a pretty wise and mature decision.

 

everyone thinks about bad trips. i think about it every time i dose on anything. i think 'i hope this goes well', and that's that.

it's ok to think about bad trips, you ALWAYS WILL. where the problem lies is that you are not OK with the idea of getting one. you should be ok. just like you should be ok with the idea of getting into a car crash or your parents dying. because those things will/may happen, so why not be in a position where you can handle it better, instead of making it a scary boogeyman in your mind that you run away from. that's a self-defeating mentality that will hurt you much more when/if bad things happen.

you probably WILL get a bad trip in your life. Probably many! most people do!

It's ok!

 

Personally, before i ever tried any psycehdelic, i had been stoned about 10 times, and i had many bad trips on weed, and i was a little scared to try shrooms. But personally, i think being very stoned can make you very confused, more confused than a normal psychedelic dose. I would personally just start off with a low dose of mushrooms (2 grams), that will give you a good taste of tripping, but not too much where you have no control of anything. Even on high psychedelic doses, i find my thinking is still intact, though very different, compared to very high doses of cannabis, where i am just completely fucked for 2 hours, in other words i personally find psychedelics more clear headed then being very high.

So i woudlnt totally not try psycehdelics, just start off with a low dose and see how you react from that.

 

then they aren't high doses. most people dose fairly light, because they are looking for more recreational effects.

 

Shit got pretty intense for me the other night, while trippin sack, and it almost went sour. I started having bad thoughts and seeing demonic images. Luckily, I faced it head-on and was able to snap myself out of it and went back to having a good time.The way I was able snap out of it was a bit strange, and somewhat ballsy. lol I simply started "talking" to the trip. I said something along the lines of "what the fuck are you gonna do to me trip? Bring me pain? I already have pain. Bring me depression? I already have depression. Bring me fear? I'm not afraid of shit. Send demons after me? Motherfucker, I AM a demon!" haha It worked like a charm:tongue:

 

and this might sound scary or plain absurd.. but it really is one of those things that make you wonder what other people possibly understand without having been so close to.. themselves. Most beautiful thing of all is to find yourself, and to accept yourself and to come back to the world without having to hold onto bullshit like a retirement package in order to feel justified at living on earth

 

I dose pretty heavy, everytime I trip, even when I'm just dosing for recreation. lol I can't help myself:tongue: