Comparing Synthetic cannabinoids with the real ones!

So, my job wants me to drug test, and seeing as how synthetics are cheap, smokable, and dont show up on drug tests, i will be switching over from good ol' mary jane to probably a JWH.

So my question, how similar are the highs between synthetics and herb? also, which, in your opinion is the best cannabinoid? Are the highs distinguished as different like sativa and indicas are? Id love to have a selection of different synthetics to use depending on which kind of high i want.

 

I'm wondering the same thing, I'm currently being drug-tested by my parents, as well as any new job I'm applying for.

The only concern I have is the price:enjoyment ratio. Anybody with experience with any JWH's let us know what you thought, I've read a few reports but there's not a whole lot of information around.

 

i dont have ne personal exp with the synthetics mainly cuz i dont really toke anyway. but price waise its def worth it seeing as how 5mg gets u high as a kite lol. but i heard it can be a little overwhelming. tread carefully

 

I've tried CP55940 which I know is different from the JWH's.

I didn't enjoy it at all. I'd prefer real weed any day.
Then again, I'm not much of a stoner, weed just bores me most of the time.

It's all about tryptamines imo

 

JWH-018 is a potent, stoning cannabinoid. (Indica?)
JWH-073 is a less potent (but still very potent), buzzy high. (Sativa?)

I've heard CP55940 to be a boring and stoning buzz.

 

I don't know....I felt like CP55940 was more like weed. I smoked some after not smoking for a few weeks and was really stoned, like smoking some awesome weed. Maybe more sativa because it didn't make me tired stoned, but definitely very high...not a light buzz, so maybe some indica. I was very very happy! It might have had to do with low tolerance at the time, but it definitely was like very good weed.

The JWH-018 could definitely fuck me up more. More so that any weed ever has. So, if you're looking for the most potency, that might be better. More than once I felt like I smoked too much, which never happens to me with herb since I've smoked it a ton for years and years. Once on JWH-018 I had to just lay down in the dark and wait a while before doing anything, and another time I felt like I had to take the phone off the hook because I felt like I wouldn't be able to handle myself well even on the phone (again...that never happens with weed...to me.)

I think JWH-018 is probably much more stable, so it's more likely to be up to the full potency when you get it. So, if you plan on getting a lot and not storing it in a very cold freezer, go with the JWH. (I never tried the 073, but saw it...probably on the same site you've seen it....it seems pretty rare.)

I have to admit too that I didn't really weigh it out well. I have two .001 g cheap scales, but I'd be fooling myself to believe I could really weigh out 3mg on it....the amount of substance that would remain on the scale etc. during transfer, and the impreciseness of those cheap scales really makes it impossible. I got an idea of what each weighed at 20mg, and then eyeballed it. It didn't seem as risky as eyeballing some other RC since it was just a cannabinoid...and like I said I feel very comfortable with weed.

Another indication of which worked better for me: I had both at the same time, and I usually went for the CP until it started to run low and then I went for the JWH. I had 2x the amount of JWH.

Oh yeah...CP definitely lasts much longer...like 6-7 hours vs 2-3. So, that can either be good or bad. It's kind of neat to be able to just be stoned for a short period and then be back to normal, but you can also consider the CP more valuable since it lasts longer.

I built up tolerance to both, and smoked them too much even though I didn't plan too. So, I'm not going to get more. I don't feel comfortable doing an RC on a daily (or more) basis since there's no long term studies on them.

Which ever you try, one great thing is that it doesn't stink up the house or your clothes...or whatever. So, you can pretty much smoke it anywhere without worrying about that. You will of course still get very red eyes and be extremely hungry!

 

Also might want to consider the health stuff....I've read on a few different forums that JWH-018 may produce cancer causing chemicals. And now here too in that JWH-018 the truth thread. That's enough to scare me away. (Tryptamines and Phenethylamines and stuff seem much safer...and maybe CP is too.)

 

Yeah, I don't think there's any health risks with CP.

 

There is nabilone (Cesamet) which is a cannabinoid by prescription in Canada, but those rcs mentioned even though cannabinoids they can produce overdoses (im pretty sure). Fucked up with the cancer causing chemicals, can you post a source where you got that?

 

i havent tried any of these synth's as are,only on herbal blends i buy and im not sure witch ones are on witch brands.i do kno i tried jwh 018 on some herbs. i though the 018 was closer to real weed,but for me it doesnt kick enough.i can say that there is a hugh variety of very different highs that vary in intensity.i'm interested in mixing several different ones and trying them together

 

Yeah on their own they aren't as good as the broad spectrum cannabis plant but mixed there is more richness. Then again I've never smoked/vaped pure THC so for all I know these JWHs blow it out of the water.

 

synths blow weed out of the water on their own,but mixed would be even better.you can feel a head change within moments of your first toke

 

more richness than a solo synthetic, or more richness than bud?

 

Both, but its apples and oranges

I think you're the only person in the world who thinks this

 

I have sub zero desire to even try synth weed. If yall like it then more power to you.

 

Jesus Crispies! Do you realize the extent of such an undertaking?! You have the ones working on the central nervous system obviously, but then you've got the ones working on your autonomic immune system, the ones working on your skeletal muscles, those which fight cancer, those which boost the hormones both female and male, but seemingly more predominantly female and that is just the tip of the iceberg of the cannabinoids.
I truly believe it's a noble undertaking that surely will change social perspective. And that is in regards both to synthetic and natural; sound synthetic actually work better for certain health conditions while some natural work much better for others.

The cannabinoid with the most buzz right now is CBD. Though Delta 9-tetrahydracannabinol Has the most notoriety Because it's the one that fucks you up, it really doesn't have much use beyond psychoactive. CBN Is also quite fascinating. It appears that it actually works as an anxiolytic, but more importantly as an atypical antipsychotic That would work quite effectively at treating schizophrenic symptoms While having nearly 0 negative side effects such as weight gain. I know that CBD is an extremely effective painkiller, But seriously man that is one major undertaking. Even with marijuana's genome now figured out, decoded if you will, you have to take into account
did there are about 5 or 6, maybe even upwards of 9 major chemical families within just the plant alone. But since cannabinoids work on norepinephrine and GABA receptors and also NMDA receptors; though it certainly does not stop there. You've got how it works with estrogen and how it works with testosterone and the bizarre balance therein. It has something to do also with cell reproduction. That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Oh yeah I almost forgot there's not just the synthetic and the plant based (a whole host of which not even from the cannabis plant) but there's also the endogenous based cannabinoids, in other words those found naturally in the human brain and body. And perhaps one of the most boggling aspects is twofold: 1.) Between the 9 natural ones from cannabis, the nearly one dozen or so from others, in fact several other plants, not just a couple and all the various different synthetic formulations as well as those within the brain and the human body: literally every group is based out of some different base chemical structure. And then there are more than 2 or 3, dude maybe even 6, 7 or 8or even dozens of different kinds of cannabinoids. Most are not psychoactive, in fact most are rather healthy for the human body, in fact it's such a fascinating study to be doing because this very sort of work could undo quite literally the whole JWH ban. Actually this kind of work is really exciting to me because of that. This could lift a lot of the prejudice towards the synthetics Which is rediculous in the first place anyway. And there's so many misconceptions about the synthetics it's just amazing. To think that they all get you stoned in exactly the same way only one synthetic one just doesn't do it here there and there there and there too but it (whatever "it" actually is since numerous don't actually even get you stoned per se) does it here and here and here oh yes and here as well... Jiminy Christmas, that's not the way they work whatsoever. I say this because there's actually a very interesting aspect of the synthetics that a lot of people don't actually know jack squat about. It may come as some kind of surprise but just as there are a variety of sources of cannabinoids, there are also several of those popular cannabinoids that were banned which do not actually get you stoned. Yes they get you high but it's a completely different effect altogether. If you've used enough of them you will probably have noticed some actually don't really feel like they're affecting the brain much, well that is because they're not exactly. What promise this science actually holds is fairly big if you think about it. If enough cannabinoids between those that naturally occur in the human brain and body, those that occur in plants, not just but of course as well as cannabis (after all it is the root of the word cannabinoid) and those that only occur at all in synthetic form; only the most significant aspect of this is that the route basic chemicals are different for each group of different styles and types of cannabinoids. This very well could even turn the tide on drug prohibition because it will prove that there is medicinal value to probably JWH-018 for instance. Let's say for instance that it was determined that particular cannabinoid is one of the best at massive large scale regeneration and reproduction of healthy cells, thus possibly making this or some other a very effective tool at fighting cancer when used in a particular manner not of igniting then burning and smoking something they call "herbal incense" basically so teenagers who can't even buy cigarettes or booze yet can buy this thing, get really fucked up while effectively doing a wonderful job of demonizing literally hundreds of different kinds of chemicals, of which in theory this particular one could be the cure for cancer as an example of the type of ignorance the prohibition brings about. Besides the most obvious fact of all: people have been getting high since b 4 we pulled our knuckles up off the ground and started walking upright on two feet, for thousands of years since transforming from neanderthal to human (or however our evolution worked as I don't really care too much about semantics or specifics, that's obviously not my point anyhow). fm it went on for thousands of years during our evolution from beast to man, and it will continue to go on for thousands of years to come just as it did for thousands of years after that. Look at any animals in the animal kingdom and just about every single one of them uses some sort of substance to alter its perceptions. Should we fine monkeys, lions, reigndeer ( they feast on amanitas almost exclusively) and all sorts of other animals.. birds that pollinate peyote, lizards that munch on ergot --if such a thing exists. How about this beast that happened to consume that plant in that state, county, and city, all because it wanted to relax. So should we. take them, the whole damn zoo, toss them in cages where they will go insane, pay for their misery to fund corporate foundations and while we let them rot in jail for something did is animal nature and therefore human nature... wait a second! Now are we talking about people or animals or perhaps it is the
case that the beast can get away with it because they're not as smart as us supposedly, and as it is anyway, we have full domination and control over them, so since they pose no threat it's just kind of funny to watch them stumble around acting silly because whether we got them drunk or high ( always the preferable way), but all the same still cute if they did it to themselves. Is there a grocery store in the country the does not carry catnip? That's more less a rhetorical question because I do not think so. Drugs are prohibited simply because of one thing people can't be fully controlled while intoxicated and that poses a threat to governments; even one single person intoxicated is enough to pose a threat because that person could show just how fun it is and therefore turn someone else gets turned on and then that person's buddies and sooner or later groups and groups of people, and after that the economy shifts because the serf class is no longer serving the upper 1% and no longer doing their bidding. I
Unlike a kitty cat who is funny, cute and silly, doing things a bit uncordinated and stupid looking, therefore amusing. I mean they're animals they have no rights we own them just like we own everything including the whole planet earth, and by we of course just that one single percentile. After all you not really competent enough to make your own decisions unless you have billions and trillions of dollars, or is it yen? Perhaps it's pounds... I think I'm getting warmer yes I am its euros! He of course I have to be he not a she ever with the biggest pile wins that's how goes it always has been. These laws are in place because if you're all messed up how can you do the work that they want you to do for them for almost no pay of course. Same as it ever was. Americans are the new Romans, and if I'm not mistaken the romans were the new Babylonians...there were Mongols, Visigoths, and bunches of other kings of the hill. The first prohibition took place in Germany around 1525, twas called the Reinheitsgefelter or some long German rather similar. It stated what ingredients and which ones only would be allowed to be brewed in beer, the same shit to this day: hops, barley typically but rye or wheat too, water and yeast. Before they banned all the different things people use to use, People used cannabis, psilocybin, amanitas, passionflowers, camphor, catnip, frankincense, wintergreen, mints, valerian, skullcap... ergot infected grasses and DMT rich plants along with Syrian rue, cinnamon, mace, nutmeg, belladonna, datura...this was in the days of divining rods and witchcraft so fear and prejudice played their role. An herbalist was essentially a witch because they knew what leaves to chew to get you high. So like in America with marijuana and negro jazz musicians, Mexican "banderos" & beatniks...and the CIA who essentially control the drug trade by funding certain kingpins, cartels, manufacturers, warlords and sundry other violent, merciless killers whose product is consistently better in every way. This tactic gives their mercenaries guerrilla warfare lessons by US Special Forces, etc. and sales of things like grenades, RPG's, depleted uranium for dirty bombs and lessons how to do so safely. These arrangements ensure that those not fully compliant will be attaxked. Remember Manuel Noriega or Pablo Escabar? Sadam Hussein? US trained flunkies. They can get rich by playing by our rules, killing the competition, selling low and processed and pure, from there unwittingly gangs buy from agents, sales and distribution are tightly controlled, the poor turn to slinging for lack of jobs, and prisons constitute modern slavery. But one thing is clear from the get: the WHITE rich get richer. Now marijuana is still stigmatized as a colored folk's drug, though rebranded in light of its usefulness and disease on the rise, namely cancer. But weed and psychedelia don't fit that mold but with promises of cures for major
illnesses, these ridculous laws are being challenged while Occupy and Anonymous take on the 1%. There's hope


EDIT: FUCKED UP POST BEIN STONED ON NEW EVAPE DEALEE. TOTALLY RIPPED AND IT GRADUALLY SHOWS









they're actually doing is rather complicated but it has to do with working on different parts of the body and creating a high vastly different and yet still sharing some commonalities. That science my god that is some of the most bizarre and complicated science in the worlds of biology and chemistry alike. I do not envy you. Well maybe a little bit, I guess I'm kinda lying. Getting paid to do that shit would be fuckin rad!!!

 

wow cosmo, every so often i am glad that i read through your wall of text. (see quote below)

i've always thought that the german brewing laws were more like a brewing standard - only the finest ingredients could be used. interesting to look at it from this different perspective.

goddamn, imagine beer made with a little barely (i don't like 'em too dark), maybe wheat (i love wheat beers), hops (but not TOO hoppy) and a healthy mound of cannabis (and of course the magical yeast)...and sold at the store!

or what about a bottle of BeerMT? (dmt could easily be called bmt for bi-dimethyltryptamine)

 

I've tried three different blends.
New Zealand Kronic Skunk wasn't too bad, gave me a "fun" high and didn't ground me like weed can.
Australian Kronic Thai High was fucking pathetic and I felt no buzz at all.
Northern lights insense passionfruit blend is what I'm on now and it's insanely epic. I only need a quarter of what I'd usually throw in a bong and it gets me high and lasts for hours. I think I'd literally spin if I had a full cone. The high is great, great vibes, no mood swings, eyes get red pretty bad though but yeah, best drug I've ever smoked and since I don't need much the 7 grams I bought have lasted over a month and I'm not even half way through it.
My best advice is to buy the ones that say "full strength" or "strong" blends. Anything else seems to be a waste.

 

Fuck that! I've tryed a lot of spice. I quit when I started having freak outs and couldent breath because of my asthma. I don't recomend it at all. If you do do it make sure you don't have asthma and don't over do it or do it out of a bong. Freak outs are horrible you feel like your dieing. Don't do it is my 2 cents