I don't think marijuana addiction exists

Discussion in 'Cannabis and Marijuana' started by rygoody, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    It's just that some people have recognized that it's intelligent to consume a plant which improves the health of your body.
     
  2. Mother's Love

    Mother's Love Generalist

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    um, no.
    marijuana can help alleviate the symptoms of some diseases (and treatments), it is certainly less harmfull than alcohol or crack, but it does not generally improve the health of your body. it can still aggravate heart/ lung problems, it can screw with your circadian rhythms, and there are some people who get depressed while using it.

    improving the health of your body takes sleep, food, and exercise, in varying doses.
    marijuana has been shown to be psychologically addictive, as in people believe that they need it to sleep, eat or survive the day.

    your post is silly, and full of holes. the problem seems to be, that you don't think, and you are one of many.
     
  3. Gsmall

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    uhh quit then? its harder then you think.
     
  4. MovedOn

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    the reason that stopping all consumption of marijuana is diffucult is because there is no good reason to stop all consumption... it's very diffucult to do something without a good reason behind, it's very diffucult to do something just on the principle of tradition from your parents

    someone telling you to believe marijuana is bad is about on par with someone telling you to believe in Jesus, it's based on purely irrational tradition of thought
     
  5. Funkateer

    Funkateer To swing on the spiral

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    ^ you have bad arguments...

    There is not physical addiction but there is mental addiction.
     
  6. MovedOn

    MovedOn Senior Member

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    Certainly the word 'healthy' is a little subjective here.

    Circadian rhythms, while yes maintaining a normal circadian rhythm is... normal. Coming to call it 'healthy' however is another story and entirely a subjective opinion.

    Now as for whether marijuana harms your daily cycles, I find it hard to believe because I have had a horrible sleep schedule for my entire life years before I ever touched any substance. Part of the reason I find marijuana so beneficial is because it actually keeps me in a more balanced regular cycle.

    Now there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe marijuana harms the heart. Perhaps from incredible excess http://stash.norml.org/marijuana-may-up-heart-attack-stroke-risk/
    But theres no reason to assume I was insinuating any such excess in anything I typed. I personally like to think of marijuana more as a Vitamin than anything else. You know you need to get a certain amount each day, not completely flood your body with it. Like you know, you only need to eat a couple oranges a day for your Vitamin C intake, you don't have to constantly consume them the entire day.

    But from my personal experience with it I would say with proper dosages it helps improve the health of the heart and the circulatory system in general because it causes the capillaries to dilate and you get increased blood and oxygen flow throughout the whole system. Which increased circulation and oxygen has many other benefits throughout everything else in your body. Because I notice my body seems to heal much quicker when I am smoking marijuana on a regular basis and I believe it is because of the increased circulation and oxygen. Or maybe just the released tension, or maybe because I sleep deeper... or maybe all in combination.

    As for lung problems, well I'm sure you've already seen all the research showing marijuana actually helps prevent lung cancer and cancer in general. But as for things like cough and weezing, I do know that when smoked it can at times aggravate things like that. But I wouldn't recommend someone smoke it, I'd recommend they vaporize it. Which helps fix lungs problems because it dilates the alveoli letting you breathe deeper and cough up flem or things deeper in the lungs. And are you aware theres actually a number of studies showing that marijuana helps treat asthma because of that dilating quality it has?

    As for someone getting depressed when using it. Theres many variables attached to that, for one, how good is their marijuana? I know for me personally I don't consume cannabis indica because it depresses and makes me very lazy. I only consume cannabis sativa, which seems to keep me very sharp and balanced. So I have to wonder, if you got depressed off marijuana, what kind of marijuana were you consuming? You have to keep in mind here that different strains of marijuana can have radically different effects. This notion of marijuana causing depression is much more complex than you make it out to be and probably has alot more to do with the strain and kind of marijuana the person was consuming.


    And I would agree that if you smoke it everyday for a while then stop, the first couple days after stopping, it is a little harder to sleep, your appetite also changes. But you know in comparison to something like caffeine, marijuana withdrawal is pretty much nonexistant. 3 days of sleeping and eating a little differently is absolutely nothing compared to what you would get after quitting caffeine, which will give you a couple weeks of headaches and migraines and a month or more of depression. Which I had to quit a caffeine addiction before, it is incredibly diffucult. However quitting marijuana addiction I actually do it regularly. I take a break from it every now and then and marijuana withdrawal is really no biggie to do. Just take a sleeping pill the first couple of nights and don't eat anything too heavy. In terms of how diffucult it is to quit something after a long time of daily use, in all honesty, I think marijuana is about as addicting as chocolate.
     
  7. MovedOn

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    because your brain intuitionally tells you that it is healthy for your body...

    it's not addiction, it's just recognizing that something is healthy for you. Consuming weed is like starting to eat more fruits and vegetables or exercize more.

    There is no good reason to think negatively of marijuana. It's simply tradition to do so.
     
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    Thats Nutrageous..
     
  9. MovedOn

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    frealz man.

    if you consume dark chocolate daily, especially like the ones there selling now with over 50% cocoa. Those actually have alot of very addicting substances in them, primarily theobromine, which is alot like caffeine and has withdrawal similiar to caffeine.

    Honestly I think if you put a daily cannabis user next to a daily dark chocolate addict and made both them go cold turkey. The cannabis user would be pretty much normal after 3 days. The dark chocolate addict would have atleast a couple weeks of depression and some headahces to go through.

    but... why do that, it'd be stupid. A little dark chocolate everyday is actually healthy for you too.

    Really, there is no reason to think negatively of marijuana... Ya sure, it made someone not care as much about a college paper or getting a nice car later in life. But come on. In the grand scheme of things the green goddess can do no harm.

    You know in all honesty I could go without marijuana. I have a number of health issues that keep me on it like it helps me keep a regular sleep schedule, gets rid of my back pain and headaches, some other stuff. I could just take like valerian root and kava for stuff like that and throw off the marijuana. But you know I just cannot find any intelligent reason to start using a bunch of different herbs to treat my ailments when just one does everything better than anything else...
     
  10. Dein Liebsten

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    I love pot as much as the next stoner, but it really is mentally addicting. I hate admitting that about such an amazing plant, but it is so difficult to quit.

    My friends spend so much money on marijuana every weekend. They probably blow off about $100 in total (munchies sometimes included). I fell into the fad of smoking every weekend, but I realized that I liked having money for things other than pot.

    And my memory turns to shit for about a week after I smoke. It's like everything I try to remember from the day before is literally cloudy.

    Anyway, I think marijuana is helpful and fun when used in moderation.

    I do think that if marijuana was legalized, it would cut back on the other hardcore drug uses too. I mean, most dealers deal oxycontin, cocaine, and other things as well as marijuana. If they're out of pot, why not buy coke? lol

    Conclusion: I love marijauna. But it's not as innocent as it may seem ;D
     
  11. CGhost

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    I had to quit cold turkey like a month ago. It sucks but I suffer no withdrawls and I haven't smoked since. I'm gna start again as soon as I stop getting tested :), which will be in the next month
     
  12. TopNotchStoner

    TopNotchStoner Georgia Homegrown

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    You're an idiot. Just because something is potentially psychologically addictive, for some people, doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that some people feel more normal and happy when they smoke weed. It's definitely not healthy, by any means, but it's not entirely unhealthy either. It can produce a healthier state of mind in some people, but other people definitely shouldn't smoke weed. It's not meant for everyone.

    That being said.....I am certainly psychologically addicted to marijuana, but I don't mind at all:sifone:
     
  13. strat

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    I've noticed that most stoners who don't suck too much smoke into their lungs (for example, less than a few cigs or bowls a day) seem to be healthier than people who don't.

    Not that you didn't all know this already, but I'll recap it anyway:
    Two days after a good smoking session, I always feel like I could run a marathon. Ganj is an expectorant and it does dialite your blood vessels, which is a good thing (running clears your lungs and it dialates your blood vessels too, if you see where I'm coming from). My heart usually gets pumping during a session (super stoned = racing heart, for me) and my stamina is higher when I'm not stoned. Also cannabis is good for your eyes, skin and hair as well as being high in fiber if you straight up eat it. Sure, I'm lazy as hell the next day when I'm all cloudy; but, (1) This goes away after one day and (2) a melatonin supplement makes this non-existant.

    Generally, if i don't smoke for three weeks like on a tolerance break or something, I start to feel like shit. But this isn't because I'm addicted, especially being a weekend toker; it's because all the quirks of everyday life that I had before I started smoking (yes, I can still remember that time) start to come out again and start to get at me. The little backaches, headache, five minutes of tossing and turning at night, crummy feeling or whatever, they just gnaw on you, but when you smoke they don't seem to matter at all.
     
  14. LSD_Coated_Brain

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    Its not hard at all. The only reason why allot of people find it hard to stop is because its fun as hell, and doesn't effect their lives, therefore, the idea of stopping seems pointless, and stupid (which it is). Its allot different than how its hard to stop smoking cigarettes, or an alcoholic to stop drinking. But if I know I'm getting tested for whatever reason, I can quit indefinitely, in fact, I'll often stop weeks before I really have to just to be safe, and it doesn't bother me at all, even though I've been a heavy smoker at times...normally over summer I'll smoke 5-8 bowls a day.
     
  15. MovedOn

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    thats the part of the health benefit, it clears and points unnecessary information. You notice, you never forget anything truly important? You just forget side details, nonsense, little things. It's just keeping your memory clearer so theres more room for the important things

    yes it does cost a bit, but atleast for me $80 lasts me a month and thats cheaper than what alot of people pay for there HDTV subscriptions monthly and I think smoking weed is a much better way to spend your time than watching TV.
     
  16. MovedOn

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    what. I would contend there isn't a single health drawback to vaporizing good quality cannabis sativa

    keeps you alert, gives you energy, keeps the brain focused on whats most important, kills all body pain, promotes blood circulation and faster healing, helps prevent cancer, increases metabolism, increases awareness, lets you think about more important things, improves your taste in art, lets you sleep deeper each night (which that alone can fix ALOT of problems)

    Like I said, it's not that it's addicting, it's just that your body is intuitionally telling you that you should consume because it's intelligent to do so.

    I'm sort of a health freak. I don't eat meat (except sushi), I don't eat dairy. I drink kombucha everyday. I've pieced together based entirely what feels healthy in my body. Thats all I pay attention to when consuming something, does this substance feel healthy in my body. For this reason, I've stopped consuming all fast food, all red meat, all land animals, all cooked animals, all dairy products, stopped consuming all caffeine, stopped consuming ALL alcohol, no stimulant drugs whatsoever. I don't note this to say doing any of those things are better, but simply that, I am serious when I say, my judge of what should be consumed is truly based entirely upon does it feel healthy in the body. And you know, as well as I do, that cannabis feels really healthy on the body. I'm pretty much convinced that a large aspect of desirable effect of cannabis isn't simply because its just a chemical, but rather because the chemical is so healthy for your body. It feels so good because it is actually good for you.

    And no, not every drug feels good, cocaine, amphetamine, alcohol, yes they get you high, but they feel like shit at the same time, you can feel they are doing damage. Not cannabis, cannabis feels very healthy on the body.
     
  17. MovedOn

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    YES exactly.

    I quit for a year smoking marijuana... all these problems started surfacing again, aches, unnecessary thoughts running through my head making things more diffucult, problems sleeping. I have eczema and acne at times, which flared up and got WORSE after quitting because anxiety and stress increased. And I had quit for a year, I was long out of any addiction. I wasn't getting these problems because of an addiction to it and withdrawal, I was getting these problems because these problems exist for EVERYONE who doesn't smoke. If you don't smoke your going to have worse acne, eczema, skin problems, back pain, anxieties, headaches, sleep worse. These are not symptoms of withdrawal, these are simply symptoms of someone who doesn't consume cannabis.

    It's not that you are addicted, it's just that you've recognized how healthy it is to consume it regularly.

    Smoking weed everyday is nothing more than the result of paying really close attention to your body and all the benefits it causes in it.
     
  18. TopNotchStoner

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    Just because t's not unhealthy doesn't mean that it's actually good for your body. I agree that it's good for the mind though, depending on the person, but other people SHOULD NOT smoke weed, becaus everyone reacts differently. What would you say if I told you that I've actually had seizures from smoking too much weed? Because I have, numerous times. lol

    Regardless of your level of denial, it is psychologically addictive for some people, myself included. It feels good because it gets you high, just like other drugs get you high. It attaches to certain receptors in the brain, as do heroin and cocaine. People continue to get high because they like how it feels and, for some people, it actually makes them feel normal, mentally. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's good for your body. I'm not saying it's bad for you, but it's not really good for you either. It's just a wonderful plant that is easy on the body and it feels good to smoke it, vape it, eat it, whatever.
     
  19. ShanaBanana

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    A person can become addicted to anything including weed, food, sex, gambling and any number of other things.

    Your statement, "I don't think marijuana addiction exists" is merely an opinion. It holds no truth in fact.
     
  20. TopNotchStoner

    TopNotchStoner Georgia Homegrown

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    Very true. I'm addicted to Hip Forums, for example, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. lol
     

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