Trying X for the first time - (again) ;)

Hey people,

Some of you may remember, I was planning on trying X my first time @ Rothbury last year. However, due to some very nice turn of events, I ended up not trying (mainly, my wife came with me - and just loved the festival.. up until then, she had no interest in them... and she just fell in love with Rothbury... we did mushrooms, and tripped
around the forest till 5:00am... The vibs were awesome, but she was nervous with me trying X - so I wanted to ensure her trip and first festival experience was fun... Anyhow, After many months of talking, this year, she is cool with me trying it... but I do have some questions (and am doing some research)...

Anyhow, here is my background.. I'm 41, and have done many psycadelics during my life... (way back when, I was quite into LSD, mushrooms, I've tried others such as Salvia, etc. These days I just smoke weed, and perhaps 1-2 times a year, cousin mushrooms comes out... I am also in good physical/cardio shape (use to run marathons a few years back)...

My questions are:

1. For a first time Roll (I plan on dancing most of the night) - would 1 pill be good? 2 pills?

2. I've noticed that at festivals, you'll see lots of folks selling X... usually you'll walk by someone, they mumble "love, rolls, e" etc... Now - I noticed some of you talk about pill identification... is there a way to tell if the pill I'm getting is good (I will not have a pc with me).. and would be worried that I may pickup something like DMT, or something speedy w/ no mdma... Is there a way to tell, or make a safer purchase? any advice on how to pickup would be very appriciated... I also remember a lot of molly around last year... is that a good idea? I heard its more chilled... but again, I'm after the X experience... are they the same?

3. I have heard its not as crazy as other psycadelics (some even say its not a psyadelic) - but how are your thoughts on it. The same reason I did not want to try last year is the reason for me asking. I would hate
to freak out, or start babbling stupid things (to freakout my wife)... She would be cool with me dancing, glowing, and just having fun.. lots of hugs, and stuff... but I know a bad trip could ruin festivals for us... (which is more important to me than trying x . So my question is... how much control do I have over what I say, do, act like, are bad trips possible, can you get sick (i.e. vomit)? - etc...

4. Now, since I'm at a festival, I'll either be walking around a lot the next day, or driving 6hrs home.. I heard I may feel really worn out the next day... is this true? how bad is comming down... I would also hate to miss a day by sitting around recovering...

5. I once heard some great advice on drinking water... What are the general guidelines on hydration?

Anyhow, thanks everyone... sorry for so many questions... and thank you for any advice.

Peace
Soc

 

Ok well I can't answer everything perfectly but I'll give it a shot.

1. My first time I took 1 pill and I was cuddling with toilets and hugging trees, I made the mistake of taking it alone, but you wont have that problem....depending on the strength of the e you have, 1-2 pills should be plenty. You might wanna take 2 just try and get a longer lasting effect, although I guess the effect of two could be overwhelming for the first time if you get good e.
2. cant help you there
3. As far as getting sick goes I felt kind of nauseous a few minutes after taking it but that passed, I have heard of vomiting though. I defiantly had a bad trip, but like I said I made the mistake of taking it alone, which I learned the hard way makes you really depressed. You wont have that problem, but you will want to hug and bond with everyone. This sounds like the kind of scene where people wouldn't mind (maybe even expect) stuff like that, but I guess it could lead to some unwanted situations.
4. I felt like shit coming down, but I had a miserable trip so that defiantly had something to do with it. The next day I felt kind of drained, but I was still able to function. I wasn't stuck in bed or anything. Just don't plan anything big for the recovery day.
5. Defiantly be able to drink enough water. I think the whole hydration thing has to do with the fact that your jumping and dancing around and going wild and you don't realize how thirsty and tired your body might be, so plan ahead when it comes to that.

All things considered I say go for it, unless you and your wife are really worried about the unintended emotional bonding that might occur. I mean your gonna be REALLY happy on that stuff, might be better to try it in a more controlled situation, defiantly not alone though.

 

Someone already said it better than me.

http://thedea.org/letsroll.html

 

Hey guys...

Thank you, thank you thank you... I do love this site...

Anyhow, next couple weeks will be research.. but I'm looking forward to this one so much...

Let me go thorugh the site writer.... and thank you for the info Rev...

PS: I know I use to get nausia from mushrooms... that also would always pass after a short druation. What I use to do to get over that is pop a gravol about 30 min before doing the shrooms.... and no nausia.. Wonder if that would help with E?

Anyhow, let me do some reading - and I'll let ya guys know how things trun out.

peace
Soc

 

i would recommend against mixing gravol with any drugs, simply because gravol in itself is psychoactive and will change your experience, make you drowsier, more lethargic, almost 'drunk' even in low doses (but without the mindspace change).

in the future honestly just drink some ginger tea or take one hit of cannabis if you can.

but yeah nausea is not really a problem on ecstasy afaik, diarrhea is though

 

1. I'd say definitely get two...take one at the beginning and then if you're feeling the effects wear off (as they usually do a couple of hours in) drop the second. Ideally, drop one and then 2 or 3 hours later drop a *half* of the second pill, it'll prolong the effects by another couple of hours but the hangover the next day won't be as bad.

2. If it's possible I would say try to find a source in the city. I'd never recommend buying from an unknown source because you never know what's in it, but of all the places to buy drugs from a stranger, a festival is probably the best and a lot less sketchy than on the street or at a party. MDMA is more intense but also causes eye wiggles/blurry vision for the high, jaw-clenching and will leave you stuck to the couch for five hours. Ecstasy tabs usually contain MDMA mixed with some sort of stimulant- that is definitely what you want if you want to be moving around.

3. I really doubt you'd end up babbling incoherently and freaking your wife out while you're high. I've done e with my boyfriend plenty of times before and every time we end up sharing more than we would day-to-day (about our families growing up, insecurities we want to diminish, etc), but it was always so beautiful and because we felt SO connected to each other! I've never said anything I didn't want the other person to know. Occasionally anxiety can kick in, but as long as you're with someone you love and trust and can find somewhere not-so-crowded to escape to if you're too hot or stressing out, it'll be just peachy! Bad trips on E are rare but anxiety can kick in sometimes...but you can always get out of it. Some people also find that their stomachs are sensitive during the come-up and can get a bit nauseous, drink water and if it gets really bad, throwing up feels amazing and stops that almost immediately

4. Hangovers can vary. My first 8 or 9 times doing it left me feeling perfect the next day, but now after 8 months of fairly regular (twice a month) use, sometimes I end up needing an entire day of lying in bed. Remember that environment has a huge effect on hangovers, though. DRINK LOTS OF WATER. Always always have water with you and if you're not thirsty, drink anyway! Try to go through at least 3 bottles of water throughout the high, but if your wife can keep an eye on you and make sure you're drinking you're golden. I overheat very easily when I'm rolling and that can play a big part, find a way to keep cool if you can; eat a big meal about four hours before you take the tab and then a light snack right after you drop it (crackers make your tummy feel better for the come-up), take all the necessary common-sense measures but if I were you, I'd make sure my wife was alright with driving the next day just in case.


Other things to keep in mind:

*remember than your three enemies in this kind of setting are all under your control- the heat (have fluids and maybe an umbrella for shade or a hand-held fan), dehydration, and being in a new environment (find out ahead of time where the bathrooms, medical tent and concessions are in proximity to your spot, just to have the information)
*eating can be veery difficult when you're rolling because you can lose your appetite completely, but a smoothie, juice or fresh fruit is easy and delicious and eating can help maintain your blood sugar levels
*you're probably going to pee. A lot. I can go upwards of five times over five hours! So yeah, bathroom lines have to suck, but make sure you keep drinking the water anyway! Better to use the bathroom a lot than to pass out from dehydration or overheating.
*the comedown can be anywhere from not even noticing the pill wore off to wearing a layer of melancholy, so if the concerts last until 10pm maybe take the first tab at around 4 or 5pm so that by the time you come down, it will be a pleasant time without too much heat or bright sunshine. Taking it at noon is not advisable if you want to enjoy the whole day

Whew. That should cover it. Now with all that being said, you are going to have an AMAZING time! Being in a fun, high-energy place with great music, scenery, freedom and someone you love is an awesome experience and topping it with ecstasy should make it pretty much heaven! All the precautions are just precautions, so don't be nervous and just relax and let yourself enjoy it all, come back and post what happened Have fun at the festival!

 

1. My first time I took one shitty MDA tab and hardly tripped, but I advise getting a nice MDMA tab and taking that.

2. I used to be completely confused on how people found out how E tabs were MDMA or MDA or just a shitty mix of other stuff. But as I started to do it more I found that the top quality stuff is usually stamped with something. Like a chanel logo or a dolphin or a transformer. Thats helped me know that I am getting top notch stuff or not.

3. With E a bad trip is on rare occasion. Just make sure you are happy before you take it. It can make you a little bit queasy if you chew it, but not really. For the most part you have complete control, you might regret some of the things you say the next day however. You will learn to control that though as you take it more. ;]

4. The next day is not as bad as the 2 days after. The stuff I take (pure) usually stays in effect for a good 18 hours. Not at full effect after the first two hours, but for the most part I'm all tingly and I feel pretty good. So you should be fine for your festival and the trip home. Just remember to drink lots of water and get a lot of vitamin C the following days. Who knows, maybe if you drink some hot chocolate and eat some greens the day after you might not even have a shitty coming down later in the week. :cheers2:

5. If you are drinking water, make sure you have a spotter. In this case I would suggest your wife since she knows what you're up to. If you chug water you can die. Your body doesn't process it fast enough because you have low stores of serotonin, and you pretty much fill up like a tire instead of peeing it out. Just take small sips every 25 minutes or so and you should be fine.

 

1) If you're not going to know how strong or pure they are, I'd definitely suggest taking one and seeing how you feel 1-2 hours later, & then taking another.

2) I personally don't ever buy from a random stranger, I won't take the chance of getting something really bad, just my personal rule.

3 & 4) Out of all the times I've done E, I'd say only probably 3 trips I'd consider psychedelic. I've never had exactly the same experience with any of the different kinds of taken. Some have been pure, some have been more MDE than MDMA, etc I personally have never had a 'hangover' or felt bad the next day, I always feel great, and I never come down bad/hard. I've never had a bad trip or gotten sick at all. Everyone has different experiences. I definitely talk A LOT & obviously am touchy/feely, but I've never done it around a bunch of strangers who aren't rolling...like at the concert, so I don't know if I'd be all hugging on strangers or not, haha.

5) You'll be at a concert, moving around a lot, drink a lot of water to keep yourself hydrated! For future references if you do it again and you're say...just chillin' at home doing nothing, drink some water, but not a ton. It's also harmful to drink TOO much water if you're not doing anything.

 

i take back what i said about mdma causing nausea, apparently it does according to erowid. i've just never experienced it, my bad.

 

Probably if you chew it. I can't imagine how bad it would taste.

 

i chew mine because i get it in rocks and it's too hard to break with your fingers finely. it tastes like bitter salt, not as bad as say codeine for example

 

id advise buying 2 and take a half at first , check the feeling and go from there.

If it is MDMA you will probably drop the second half as soon as u start feeling the first half

 

Hey people... What can I say... thank you, I appriciate the time you guys took to answer my questions....

All I can say is I am very much looking forward to this experienece. Usually my wife and I have a rule (at least these days) to keep things organic (weed, mushrooms), but after reading all the sites, and info you guys sent.. I think this one may be an exception... perhaps a once a year thing...

Anyhow, the festival is a couple months away... so this gives me enough time to pickup a testing kit... My aim will be to try and find molly (keep things chilled and pure)... then just dance for a few good hours, and enjoy life.... (my plan, and if cool shit happens during that time.. than all the better).

Anyhow, just wanted to say thanks to everyone... and yea, I'll keep you guys posted on how things turned out.

Peace
Soc

 

Well mdma is semi-synthetic, like LSD. They start with something organic, and just run some simple kitchen chemistry with it, ~800$ worth of equipment and chems.

 

we just don't have it like you guys up north do mr. writer.... I haven't seen decent powder here since the late 90's... you've got me ready to move to Canada! (if they would take me)