Anybody participating in a tea party today?

Well, I could not care less about what the Republicans think about anything, but cutting taxes is only half of the picture. You cannot cut taxes while spending through the roof. So you would also have to cut spending for it to work. But it's pointless to even talk about because that isn't going to happen.

 

Wha? The spending we used to get out of a recession and finance a war caused us an economic downturn huh?!

Think our history book disagree with you.

 

Don't believe everything you see right off the bat, if all that spending was really the solution Japan wouldn't have had the lost decade in the 90's. WW2 got us out of the depression because we reached near full employment in the war, and when all these people came home the rest of the world was in ruins, except for us which gave us an economic boom like never before as all these industries shifted back into peace time mode, demand for American goods by both Americans after years of rationing and foreign countries that had their industrial bases ruined gave us an unparalleled advantage

Many people and economists especially from the Austrian school believe the actions taken by the government and the federal reserve helped turned a normal bad recesion into the great depression. Hell we went into another recession in 1937, something you never get told in school

Take Friedrich Hayek, a well known and respect economist, in Feb. 1929 he predicted a massive financial crisis because of reckless increase in money supply, and sure enough a few months down the road, shit hit the fan

You should read up on opposing views

 

Yes I'm aware of a few opposing view including this one, it actually required if you take a history course at any decent college. In any case let it be a reminder that FDR had many conservative people in his cabinet who opposed heavier spending (new deal recovery programs) during the great depression which many economist blame for the 1937 recession dive into deeper waters. However when we had to spend massive amounts of money to finance the war it not only took us out of the recession but help to create the largest middle class in history at the time.

 

The middle class was in the 1950's, because of the economic benefits the US recieved from the effects of WW2. Yes, it got us out of the depression in the fact near 13 million people were taken out of the workforce to serve in the armed forces which meant there was actually a shortage of labor. The difference is at the end of this spending spree there is no world that has been destroyed by war but not touched America that will give the US the economic super advantage we had post WW2


Ah what a great thing to hear on the news 5min ago though, "Most Americans pay more in state and federal taxes then food, clothes and housing together"

 

There is plenty of out of control spending on the state level as well.

During the last eight years we got all kinds of Highway bills, Stem Cell research bills, Farm Bills Eathanol bill. Education bills. Big spending is nothing new and big spending did not prevent our recession, it only helped to inflate the bubble.

Everybody in Congress voted for the wasteful spending for the past eight years, show me any Congressman who voted no.

The deficit is everybodys problem, not republican or democrat.

 

Well there's always Ron Paul, but there actually is one other person too

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter...6/john-boehner/rep-john-boehner-earmark-free/

Not that I agree with most of his politics, but I'll give him credit for sticking to his guns

So, 41 out of 435 at least on one spending bill didn't throw shit into it.

 

The member who ran the personal forum this was moved from was banned. There is no one to ask.

 

I find it strange that this story about "right-wing terrorism" was covered in almost the same breath as the protests on most of the mainstream news networks I watched today



http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/extremism.report/

 

umm you coulda asked the OP,she seemed as confused and apprehensive about it being moved here as i was.(and posting here )

so because it was a thread someone thought was worthy of being put in the great political debate forum they took it upon themselves to move it without asking the OP ,even tho starting the thread there broke no forum guidelines..if it was solely because the forum owner was banned,why are the rest of the threads there as well as the forum still open?

maybe, just maybe had the OP wanted it in the politics forum they would have put it here,but i guess its obvious it doesnt matter what a poster wants here anymore...

ridiculous.


scuse me for getting off topic,a topic i was participating in,but shit like this is the exact reason i dont post in this forum anymore.

carry on.

 

That Forum will most likely be closed shortly. Like I said, there is nobody moderating that Forum.

It was my intention to move the thread to a more appropriate place where it could actually be Moderated. I'd be glad to move the thread to the Protest Forum or the Activist Forum if the OP so wishes. So far I haven't heard anything from her.

Oh, but you do continue to post in this Forum and you are welcome to continue to do so.



I watched the Daily Show last night and the Colbert Report, which poked humour and fun at these Tea Party events. The FoxNews and other various news networks were staging live coverage of the protest and then tried to pass them off as being "organic" and "grassroot". Well, when a News Station announces publicly that it will be hosting coverage of a live protest and several protests across the country, it's not a grassroot story at all.

In my view, many people do not have a clue the way that their taxes are managed, collected, and why we have tax laws. Most people are upset that their tax money has been spent to bailout large corporate execs sure, and they damn well should be upset that the money they spent, hundreds of billions of it will not be seen in return.

But that's not a tax problem. It's a government misappropriation problem. Which confuses me why people still think that lower taxes are the solution to get them out of a recession and economic downturn. Cutting taxes is probably the stupidest idea to do right now, and yet talking heads from the neo-conservative right wing in Washington are eager to make their voice heard in the new Republican Party wing of the House of Congress and are advocating for tax cuts! HA!

The entire Bush Administration was allocating funds to the rich. Period. And for like, the entirety of 8 full years. The little guy saw... well, nothing. But some desperate attempt at the end of the term to write people off as consumers who should be responsible for spending more money. Money was spent on privitizing and de-regulating drug companies and providing lucrative operation contracts to overtake business markets overseas in Iraq, Panama, India, etc.

And it's not the taxpayer's fault. Hell, it's not even the tax system's fault.

I am confused behind the whole "tax is evil" ideology. I think it's a false truth and I wish more people would question it.

 

Would your cut corporate exemptions and loopholes? Would you cut government subsidizies to big oil and pharma? Where was the outrage when previously exempt income such as unemployment insurance and social security became taxable?

I think you would find that most of the organizers of these tea parties would stop you in your tracks if you suggested any of these cuts.

 

Then it would follow that corporate tax breaks and subsidizies should be just as temporary.

 

I kind of like that idea. But ain't never gonna happen.

 

We are a country in debt because interest rate regulation has been criminally gamed by the financial sector. But I don't see a huge public outcry about that yet.

 

I guess some people just believe in freedom, being able to keep what they earn and not having corrupt and parasitic government breathing down their backs. It's not that hard to comprehend for most people. The people have no say where their tax money goes, so of course people are going to be upset. The government is completely corrupt, and for one to not see that they have to be either blind or just naive.

Would you willingly hand your money over to a pack of criminals if you knew they were criminals?

And it's not just about taxes. It's about ever increasing government and bureaucracy encroaching upon people's rights. The bigger government becomes, the more freedoms are lost. Common sense.

Most people don't even know where their income tax money goes. It does not go to paving roads, repairing bridges, funding education and all that. It goes to paying off the interest on the debt owed to the private bankers of the Federal Reserve.

Everything the US government spends comes out of debt -- in other words, money it does not even have. So therefore more money must be printed up by the Treasury, via the Federal Reserve, to cover these costs, creating more and more mounting debt.

Taxes are only part of the issue. A lot of it is government spending, too.

If you actually understand how the system works, it isn't very hard to grasp.

 

No, we are in debt because this country is run by bankers. We are in debt because the job of the Federal Reserve is to create debt by issuing their fiat currency.

 

I have proved, over and over again, that this is a lie.

But you just repeat it. Why? Can't you think for yourself? Can't you question what the conspiracy websites tell you to think?

 

Actually, you haven't proven shit.

Anyone here that's informed knows you are wrong, so why should I care what you think?

 

For anyone who actually cares about the truth:

The Grace Commission Report:

http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm

The Grace Commission:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grace_Commission