Right to Life

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by POPthree13, Nov 1, 2004.

  1. POPthree13

    POPthree13 Member

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    I was just curious about something that I would love to have cleared up.

    How is it that most conservative Christians support Bush based on his right-to-life values, yet seem to forget the fact that he is an avid supported of the death penalty? As Governor of Texas he oversaw the executions of more poeple than any other in history.

    Then as president he has sacrificed over 1000 innocent Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afgan lives, many of them innocent women and children.

    I know how important many of you feel the issue of abortion is, but is this record really a pro-life record?
     
  2. arlia

    arlia Members

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    i dunno,but i wunt vote for him,i tihnk his a moran!
     
  3. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Personally, I cannot stand either of them. However, Kerry is in full support of the mark of the beast while it's just optional right now to get the chip. I didn't register so I don't have a say.
     
  4. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    can you please supply clean underwear with your posts so that when we shit in our pants from laughing, we have a fresh pair
     
  5. arlia

    arlia Members

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    my pants are better than ure pants!!!
     
  6. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    lol...Are you really trying to tell us that Kerry supports the mark of the beast and has plans to make it mandatory? If you can quote him on it then I'll stop laughing.
     
  7. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    First, the number of executions is dwarfed by the number of abortions. Second, executing a convicted murderer is not morally comparable to butchering a helpless unborn baby.


    Provide a reference for this "hundreds of thousands" figure. That sounds far more like the number killed by Saddam.


    There are no perfect candidates, but Kerry's enthusiastic support for ~1.5 million state-sanctioned murders every year is reprehensible.
     
  8. northernlehigh97

    northernlehigh97 Senior Member

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    I second that...right on...don't forget Bush has a lot of pressure being the president, which I'm sure most people couldn't handle, he's the one always in the limelight...





     
  9. POPthree13

    POPthree13 Member

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    Yes, but in abortion it is the mother who is choosing to end a life, in war and in the penal system it is our governor/president.

    Between 14,000 and 16,000 Iraqi civilian causalties:
    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

    Your right closer to 70,000 overall Iraqi deaths:
    http://www.infoshout.com/iraq%20death%20toll.htm

    Kerry does not SUPPORT abortion, especially not enthusiasticaly. He supports the current interpretation of the constitution.

    Pro Choice does NOT equal Pro Abortion silly, silly HuckFinn
     
  10. tom

    tom Member

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    Bu$h is all talk and no action. The only morals he's truely supporting are his own.
    He murders innocents in Iraq with bullets and bombs.
    He murdered people in Texas with the electric chair. If he was a true Christian, he would have allowed God to decide when those people should die, not himself. Yes, the people on death row murdered other people, but they are still human and should still have the chance for salvation. (yes I think they should be put away for life)
    He's murdering babies here at home by doing almost nothing about abortion. Yeah, there was the partial birth thing, and that was just a token gesture to keep his flock happy. Unfortunately most of the people who support Bu$h on the abortion issue have the wacky notion that he's actively working to do more on the issue.
    Don't think that most Christians are are pro-life are pro-electric chair are pro-war. It's just not true.
    I'm tom and I support this message
     
  11. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    It is no better for a government to allow such carnage than to commit it.


    That's a far cry from the "hundreds of thousands" you claimed, let alone the 1.5 million unborn babies murdered by abortion every year.


    The Constitution is silent on the issue. Roe v. Wade was (as Justice White said in his dissent) "a raw exercise of judicial power."


    Pro-abortion is an apt description of Kerry's record. He's consistently opposed even the most modest restrictions on violence against the unborn:

    http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/e4/cinfo/?id=100193


    Did FDR "murder" innocent French civilians by authorizing the D-day invasion?


    See Gen. 9:6 & Rom. 13:4.


    Bush has done everything within his power as president to protect the unborn:

    http://www.nrlc.org/EandP/bush43record.pdf


    Even if I shared your inability to morally distinguish between deliberately murdering innocent unborn babies and executing convicted murderers or accidentally killing civilians in a war against terrorist thugs, the astronomical death toll of abortion would still far outweigh these other issues.
     
  12. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    No more than the gov't murders unborn babies for allowing abortion.
     
  13. Raving Sultan

    Raving Sultan Banned

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    The few cases where i have known girls to have abortions has been for the best. Those kids would have grown up in fatherless homes by crackish young girls. Abortion isn't good but damn it shouldnt be illegal.
     
  14. tom

    tom Member

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    A. You're totally right...You've convinced me that Jesus was an advocate of the death penalty, taking revenge, etc. I think it was Jesus himself that said "When someone strikes you on one cheek to strike him on his cheek."

    B. It has nothing to do with a moral inability to distinguish anything. Bet you already realized that but felt that you had to be a jack ass anyways. Murdering babies is wrong. Murdering those who haven't come to Christ yet is wrong. Let God decide their time. You're not God (although it seems at times that you think you're right up there with him). And last but not least, the terrorist thugs are in AFGHANISTAN, not Iraq. The only thing worse than a self rightious Christian is a self rightious Christian who won't accept the facts.
     
  15. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    If you want to base our legal system on the Sermon on the Mount, we should get rid of jails.


    The Bible doesn't call it "murder" to execute a duly convicted murderer. In fact, it specifically delegates this responsibility to governments, as I've already noted. You've not only ignored the passages I've cited, you've totally misread the Sermon on the Mount, which clearly condemns hurling insults (like "jack ass") at others but says nothing about capital punishment.


    If Al Zarqawi and Co. aren't terrorist thugs, how would you describe them?
     
  16. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    i'm not in favor of the death penalty, either. i consider both to be the same thing. not much of a fan of war. violent death is still violent death, not matter what euphemisms you give it.
     
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