Are you a "right wing extremist"?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pressed_Rat, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    The Department of Homeland Security is the one to be angry with I agree. I was against its formation from the beginning. Smacked too much of the Gestpo. But most seemed to think it would make us safer. To me it added an additional layer of unnecessary government, but then it was developed by a Republican administration and they don't do that do they?
     
  2. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    In essence I would imagine they are comparable. But the formation of Homeland Security was unnecessary since prior to 09/11 we already had the FBI, CIA, and NSA. It was one of those things the CFR thought was good for the American public.
     
  4. White_Horse_Mescalito

    White_Horse_Mescalito ""

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    too bad they didn't talk to each other :(
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    They didn't? Are they now? How well did Homeland Security perform during Katrina?
     
  6. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Yeah, but we still have MI5 MI6 etc...but they all serve various funtions and don't all have the same powers. Reading wiki...it say it (HS) is several agencies rolled into one. Perhaps you guys have only had a face lift and a new name, for something you already had.
     
  7. White_Horse_Mescalito

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    Nova ran a show recently that stressed the lack of inter-agency communications prior to 911.

    Is it any better now?.. I don't know.. guess we have to take their word for it :(
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Its purpose was supposedly to coordinate the various other agencies delivery of services at a cabinet level. I haven't been impressed.
     
  9. Alfi

    Alfi Member

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    ah, I think I see where part of the problem is.
    You searched for 'right wing extremist' instead of searching for the actual report. Your search got mostly comments and third hand reviews.
    If you look for extremists that's what you find. :rolleyes:

    if you search for the document itself so it can be read you search for:
    https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/us-dhs-right-wing-extremism-2009.pdf

    Then you can quote from the document to support your position.
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I am wondering if it was for official purposes only, how and by whom was it leaked?


    Gives one a renewed sense of security doesn't it?


     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I think the concerns voiced in the document are realistic:

    There should be a concern with the lack of medical support for our returning troops suffering from PTS. It's not meant as a slam to veterans.
     
  12. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    Hell you might just be Texan.
     
  13. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Most people don't have the time nor attention span to read through the entire report. However, if you do read through it, you will see that the claims being made are not simply being pulled out of a box-- they're actually included in the report. However, the subject of denial is a whole other issue.

     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You don't think these people outlined in the report can be considered dangerous? Hell when I saw McCain and Palin rally their constituents into crys for kill him ...meaning Obama I could see the potential danger. The fact that the Department of Homeland Security also noticed makes me exhale and say Took you long enough!
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Or are you now trying to sell the average citizen the bull of the right wing ideology should not be suspect, like rich people deserve reduced tax rates? They are exempt...is that what you would like to see Rat. That will make us all safer? I suppose you have trickle down theory on safety that says if we let gun toting right wingers continue in their hatred we'll all be safer.
     
  16. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Don't get your shorts in a knot, Gardener. The report was started by the Bush administration, not the equally corrupt Obama administration that you so adore and always rush to defend.

    And I am so sick of hearing this bullshit about how the Republicans are in favor of the rich, but the elite Democrats are not. There are probably just as many rich Democrats as there are Republicans -- not including the elitists in Obama's cabinet who don't pay their taxes. The Democrats are not doing things any differently than the Republicans did, they're just doing what the Republicans did, but in an even more extreme and dangerous way.

    The fact is that, in a free country, people are not labeled as possible terrorists just for holding certain views. This sort of profiling derives directly from the Soviet system. Either you get it or you don't. There is no debate.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't adore Obama, but given the choice I am glad he was elected.

    Fact is we've all been labeled for quite some time. I am more inclined to believe that the US follows the Israeli model: You have to believe in the same god as I do (and that god may be money) or you're seen as a terrorist.
     
  18. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    I am absolutely a right AND left wing extremist.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Then be prepared to be profiled by both. Lucky you.
     
  20. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    I think anyone who has filed the right paperwork, and submits organizational reports should be able to own a tank, AND I think that money is an outdated means of control, that exists still only because people who truly understand it are the ones in power (mostly because they understand it)
     

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