Hey guys, i'm new here, just spent the whole day looking through the Salvia section, as i just bought some 15x extract. looks like fun, haha. The real reason i'm making this post, is to ask hikaruzero to contact me, as he seems to know a hell of alot about this stuff. So hikaru, if you would be as kind as to do so, my address is human.virusboy@gmail.com, and i would appreciate it alot. I think it would be all round better to ask 1 person who knows alot about it, than read alot of different opinions, instructions, ideas etc. Thanks in advance man. Peace Out. Misha.
I do Salvia quite often and have read a lot about it on both the opinionated and the scientific side... I started with Salvia 10x and I have to say I hope you aren't doing it just to get high because while it will certainly get you stoned for a couple of hours the first thing it does is take you on a solid trip into your own mind. If you haven't gotten it together mentally or make a habit of hurting people be prepared for the Salvia mother to tear into your soul. Other than that I wish you the best from one Salvia visitor to another... If I may suggest something, it's much easier to ENJOY Salvia when you use plain leaf AND you can get an ounce of it for a quarter of the price... Put that together with the fact that you actually get less resistant to Salvia as you take it more and you can save yourself a lot of money and still enjoy some very solid trips. If you're interested, I have a blog about a trip I've had - it's very specific and may help you understand what you're getting into. http://wordywriter.blogspot.com/2009/03/specific-salvia-trip.html I have a thread on this forum as well that may explain the mind-set you'll be stepping into. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=359672 I have had some crazy trips but never a terrifying one... Probably the best thing I can suggest is that you pray for guidance and knowledge through the trip you are about to enter. Also, never forget that you're in control - if it gets too much it isn't like acid, you can come back whenever you want. Also, You may want to remove your e-mail before someone decides it's funny to submit it to a spam bot. Be safe.
thanks for the advice, its not just to get high... to be honest, if i wanted to get high i'd go do weed. i want to see my soul, see if can get any distant memories etc, and as its legal, i'm alot more prepared to try this stuff, than say acid. i dont like the idea of chemical based drugs, but natural ones are fine with me. i've got 15X extract, its finly ground leaves, is it possible to chew this or is that only really doable with full leaves?
That's a good thought process, Salvia is a meditative drug - it's ability to help you see through the shades of deception are quite enlightening. It can be experienced on a very low level in which most people choose not to recognize. You will soon find that you are thinking in a way that is more external - as if you are no longer that person sitting there but actually an outside entity with far more insight than you are used to. Many people are looking to trip really hard but they don't realize that it's actually working very well and they just don't see it. So don't concentrate so much on having a solid, colorful trip - the Salvia Mother doesn't always give them to you. Also, don't concentrate too much on figuring out who the Salvia Mother is or even believing in her. Trust me, when she wants to speak to you, you'll hear her talking but it does help to play a little ambient music as she does tend to speak through certain sounds. It's weird, I know, but just believe me when I say it's an amazing realization when you hear her. If you do decide to chew, make sure you brush your gums, tongue and the walls of your mouth and lips very well and then follow with mouth wash. This should be done because of the bad taste and most importantly because it will open up the pores in your mouth to take in the Salvia faster. A large pinch should do the job. You, of course, don't actually chew it, you just stick it under your tongue and let it soak. If that's difficult to manage then put it in your lip like you're dipping. A key to this is to realize that it's not the actual Salvia that will begin affecting you but your own spit! The spit that forms in your mouth will effectively absorb the Salvinorin T from the Salvia and then transfer it into your gums and tongue - so, the longer you hold that nasty spit the stronger and longer you'll experience the trip. Don't spit your saliva out, but swallow it for the full effect. Probably the biggest misunderstanding I've seen is people expecting to trip heavy balls the first or second time they do Salvia. Patience is truly a virtue with this, it's simply not anything like Acid or Marijuana... it takes it's full effect over a matter of weeks and quite frankly the stronger extract you use the scarier it's going to be if you force the trip. 15x is a good, safe starter. As long as you aren't trying to force something and you're mind is open to your own thoughts and the enlightenment that comes from within, you will experience a very healthy trip your first time. Going into the trip in a meditative state is the optimal mind-set for getting the most out of your experience. I started off smoking it as I had not seen any good strategies for chewing at that point. The first time I tried Salvia I had read about it, but not a whole lot, so I took a shower and held a small hit from a bowl in my lungs. I was not in a bad state mentally but I wasn't meditative so the only thing I got from it was a strong euphoria and the sense that I had become the shower. You may experience this yourself - it's a very strange feeling. It was hilarious to me and I struggled not to laugh out loud. I couldn't believe what everyone had said online was actually true. The thoughts I had were overwhelming though and the words I spoke echoed in letters before my face. It didn't scare me because you aren't really scared in that state as long as you are in a mellow mood and know what to expect; it's more an awed state at everything that is happening. So I forced myself to come to a logical conclusion: That I can see the soap in my hand and if I touch it to my chest then I can wash myself. This helped me come down and gave me a chance to appreciate the reality that is Salvia Divinorum - no longer a drug but an herb with a large capacity to alter one's mind. Of course, I was just learning to listen... The second time I smoked, I had read that praying first was a good idea so I decided to take a shower again. I got in the shower, sat down on the floor with my legs crossed (it was a bigger shower, one may not be comfortable in a traditional shower), packed a small bowl of 10x Salvia, got my lighter and said a prayer. I took a drag, emptying the bowl, and held it counting down from 30. When I let go I looked up and watched the shower walls twist and warp into a large, silver tree... This is when I heard the Salvia Mother whisper in my ear. A chill went down my spine as I heard the shower water turn from a calming white noise to a voice. What she said is... well, it's between me and her, but her words were beautiful and calming... They were short but mean a lot to me. Then a story began to unfold about a man I perceived to be an Indian, who traveled to find a large, Silver tree to learn its wisdom. This whole time I am staring up at this tree in front of me, she talks to me and tells the story. As of yet, five months later, I am unable to remember much about the story. I believe that this story is of some importance for me but I can find very little about anything related to an Indian or a Silver Tree in fables and stories. I have found one entry in a compilation: "Folk-lore and Fable" By Aesop, Wilhelm Grimm, Jacob Grimm, and Hans Christian Andersen that mentions a "magnificent gold and silver tree" that none but the "two-eyed" people can touch. As the story goes, the two-eyed people are nothing more than commoners, frowned upon by the three-eyed and one-eyed people. That's one of the most exciting things about Salvia, though, if you continue to do it over a long period of time (months and years) it helps you to recall things from earlier trips that you don't remember now. I have also heard that it helps you to remember events in your life that you, otherwise, would never have remembered. I have yet to experience any memories from my own past. It's an interesting story she told me and I have a lot of theories behind it but I think I've droned on enough... Give it a shot on a good, mellow day where you have a lot of personal inquiries. Let me know how it goes.
dude, that was really interesting... took a while to read it as i had to keep hiding the webpage (i'm at work and don't fancy getting sacked for drugs, haha) shower turning into a silver tree, must admit that sounds like fun... i'm really looking forward to this, am i expecting to be up and wandering around like the idiots on youtube? or will i stay pretty still if i lay on my bed for example? I'm 23 and live with my parents, and they're pretty "anti-druggist", so i don't really want them to know i'm high as a kite and talking to whatever vision i have, or me falling around like an eejit so they come running in and see my pupils wider than ever lol. Thanks for the talk on preparing, i've still got to figure out the meditiation thing, but i've had a read into that and it doesn't sound too difficult, the way i think i'll start is by "listening" as if i'm expecting the doorbell to ring, and block out all the other sounds... I've heard this is a really good way to try. Anyway, i'll give it a go tomorrow, when i'm off work and see how it goes... my GF will be off tomorrow so she'll be my sitter, i just need to try persuade her that all will be good, and just make sure i don't smash my head off anything, and not to make too much noise while i'm away (incase she startles me or something, again, like on those silly youtube vids). I'll give you an update after i've done it, so from what i've gathered is: - Take a reasonable sized pinch of crumbled salvia (i'm a big bloke so i'll be weary of taking too much) - after brushing teeth to increase absorption, place this under my tongue, and not chew, but swill the saliva around so it mixes with the salvia's active ingredient. - Keep swilling around in my mouth so my pores can absorb the toxins - Swallow the lot when done, and wait for it to set in, and just stay as relaxed as possible. Sounds good to me. Reporting back soon
okay, last night... well... i started as MJAwareness said, brushing teeth, mouthwash etc. and got into bed with my GF, who knew what she had to do as a sitter. decided to go for it, so took a pinch (rather large one by accident) and under my tongue. After about 5 mins the mixture went down my throat by accident, but i left it and waited for about 20 mins, and all i saw was the ceiling breathe a little, and thats it. decided that i didn't have enough, took the same amount again (on purpose this time), and chewed it with my front teeth for about 5 mins, and again it just went down my throat... i think its because of all the little tiny bits lol, whole leaves would be alot easier to control same thing, very little happened. no crazy thoughts or insights, not really and visuals... i'm thinkin it may be a dudd but i think i'll try a bong with it... Guess i'll try get some leaves when i get paid, i know with the leaves i'd have to leave a few of them in a bowl of water for a few mins to get them moist, then roll them up and chew for a half hour. I've got my eye on ayahuasca, some shrooms and i have some hawaiian baby woodrow seeds here... might try those, but i've heard alot of bad reports of nausia etc. thanks for the tips MJA, but it seems i either did something wrong, or this stuff's bad. =)
random question... anyone thought of putting salvia extract in coffee? some people seem to say that making tea with it doesn't work, some say it does... but i had a pinch of it with my coffee this morning, put the coffee in, then the pinch of salvia... put the boiling water in, then the milk and left it for 10 mins... could really taste the salvia, even over the bitterness of the coffee, and i felt in a really really good mood... no hallucinations or anything (thank god cos i'm at work), but now my really good mood has wore off and i'm feelin pretty average right now. Any thoughts on this?
