Hardships.

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by Desos, Apr 30, 2009.

  1. Desos

    Desos Senior Member

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    alright, so now i was wondering... how exactly is it that we should deal with hardships?

    sometimes severe harships can really bring a person down a very low point in life, but is this actually avoidable?

    i have the philosophy that one should maintain their childish innocence, hope, and joy, and no matter that hardships they go through they should always hold onto that, and not let anything take it away from them.

    but i do not always live true to this philosophy. sometimes i can get depressed after a hardship for a while, or even be irritated with it or sometimes hold a grudge. but usually after enough time i heal and return to me 'innocent' self.

    now what i was wondering is:

    is it wrong to fall into these low points in life when facing severe hardships, as long as you return to your childish innocence after they are over? or should one maintain their innocence even during the hardship? it almost seems like being able to be in touch with life enough to be able to feel that hurt and be affected by those hardships so much is a good thing, but on the other hand i am not so sure. maybe we ought to be able to maintain our innocence and purity at all times. and if so, then how? some hardships can be so overwhelming that they can totally overwhelm one's willpower.
     
  2. y Epitaph x

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    incidents such as fighting cannot be controlled this way...
     
  3. Mr.Writer

    Mr.Writer Senior Member

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    Getting low about things in life is part of life. If you never got dissapointed or depressed or infuriated, you aren't human or you aren't a mature grown human. These emotions are just as incredible and miraculous as joy, hope and innocence.

    I feel like you have seen the Yin/Yang nature of reality, and erroneously concluded "Oh I see, only Yin is good".

    The whole thing is what's important. You will get depressed. You will get to low points. How can you have high points without low points? The two are simply two sides of one coin, and to imagine a coin with only the one side is simply a metaphysical absurdity.
     
  4. hawaiiankine

    hawaiiankine Senior Member

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    So true. How can we have peaks without valleys? Hot without cold? Light without dark? Time without movement? Shallow without depth? Life without death?

    But would it be possible to have love without hate?
     
  5. Desos

    Desos Senior Member

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    i wonder, if there is any connection to the duality in reality and the 'peaks' and 'valleys' of emotion that we can process have something to do with bipolar disorder.
     
  6. Xora

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    It takes shit to make bliss, and well honestly 'bad' is unavoidable. I think it is just important to at those times when we are facing are hardest conflicts, keep in mind that life will return to good. There has to be a balance though, and sometimes hardship can show you how to truly appreciate more in your life, making the good better.
     
  7. itsallgood

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    Thats a good Question...But i believe the answer is yes its possible to have love without hate...I cannot give any facts or opinions to back up my opinion though just yet :)
     
  8. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    I have to disagree with your comment about not being human if you're never "disappointed or depressed or infuriated". I am never disappointed or depressed, and I never get infuriated. I know that shit happens, I know I am powerless to change some things, so Ive already accepted all the shit thats going to happen. And everything that has already happened is in the past. No need to dwell on it. I don't let others infuriate me because I don't judge others. Ive already accepted that I will not like the actions of others.

    As adults we must think before we act. In this case the action is the onset of emotion. Think about keeping an open mind and acceptance before you get disappointed, depressed, or infuriated.

    People who think logically and constantly make good decisions despite hardships are the yang to the majority of the worlds yin.
     

  9. I agree completely, especially the last part.

    good thread..
     
  10. introspectre

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    Hate is an emotion, love is something that transcends emotion. I'm not referring to the "emotional love" of attatchment and desire here.

    If you're going to be happy, you will be sad as well. The only way off the wheel of samsara is through detaching from both happiness AND sadness.
     
  11. itsallgood

    itsallgood Senior Member

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    I understand what your saying, but if Hate was a emotion would'nt it mean that its opposite would be an emotion as well?

    But again iam Begining to believe that love and Hate are just actions....I love you( wouldnt that be more of a action than a emotion?or is the action describing the emotion?
     
  12. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    hate is not the opposite of love.
     
  13. hawaiiankine

    hawaiiankine Senior Member

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    how about "like" vs "hate" then?
     
  14. y Epitaph x

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    indifference
     
  15. itsallgood

    itsallgood Senior Member

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    Whats the opposite of hate then?

    Wouldnt the opposite of like be dislike haha...I love earth and everyones earthly ways
     
  16. hawaiiankine

    hawaiiankine Senior Member

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    Your right..after further contact with the spiritual world I have come to realize the opposite of love is indifference and the opposite of hate is indifference.

    There is emotion, or no emotion. The opposite of every emotion is a lack of it. Some emotions exist in contrast from each other, for example the triangle of happiness, anger and sadness, or yes, love and hate, but the true opposite of "anything" is "not-anything". In this case the word we would use is apathy.
    To be, or not to be.......
     
  17. itsallgood

    itsallgood Senior Member

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    I understand....That was a good debate :cheers2:
     
  18. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    Actually, the exact opposite of love is apathy, so indefferance is very vey close.
     
  19. introspectre

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    I believe love has no opposite

    Love is looking at both sides of the coin

    True love is impersonal, and to me when I'm acting in love I feel almost truly blissfully apathetic about the things I'm dealing with. I don't think that apathy is the opposite of love.

    I don't think that love is an action. Love is what acts.

    In regards to desos' original question: Embrace the hardships you go through. Don't resist them, don't try to control them. Don't try to resist the resisting, or control the controlling. Respond to each moment, love will take care of you.
     
  20. hawaiiankine

    hawaiiankine Senior Member

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    I think it's the same thing.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apathetic

    I don't think being apathetic means your acting in love. Love implies care or concern, apathy implies indifference. Don't care.
     
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