The reality of Religion - All of them.

This is the reality of religion. all of it. it really dosent matter which one.

There is no way humans could ever possibly know more then what is true:
EARTH

Look at it this way.

If you have a dog, and you raise that dog in a house for all its life, then all that dog will ever know is that house.

If you take humans and put them on a planet, all they will know is that planet.

Theres no way any humans could possibly know any thing more then earth.

Like theres no way a Canadian moose would ever know about the African desert. All it would know is its surroundings. what its lived in for its entire life.

the same concept apply to humans.

All we will ever know is this earth

no matter what anyones says. Its the reality of it. Humans only have limited knowledge to this earth. Nothing beyond it.

So to everyone who's been seeking that answer for what they believe in.

Try believing in something thats real : EARTH

because humans like to talk.
they like to say words.
and they like to make up story's.
and people believe words and story's.
hence how gossip is started.
sometimes people believe it.

sometimes people don't even have a choice.
sometimes people are born into it.
born into a family of a certain religion
- grown up - forced to live by the belifes.
as if he didn't even have a chance.
and they don't know nothing better but to believe.
because thats what they have been thought since day 1.


So if your all worried about heaven and hell. don't be.
because whats right and wrong is strictly opinionated.
Theres no official right or wrong, its all human made.

fakeness. Learn to filter it. its surrounds you in your daily life.

-money
-media
-brands
-labels
-religion
-ego's

its all fake.

stop praising whats not there.
and start recognized the true one.

earth.
your mother.
your provider.
your planet.
your life.
your creator
your ender
your god.
your omega.

True respect my friends.
recognize, and share the truth.

 

well said :cheers2:

its all about money and influence now..

 

x

 

Of course this all begs the question...where did earth come from? You could also ask where did god come from, but it is generally believed that god has always existed, whereas with the earth, we know it had a beginning.

And claiming that humans can only "know" earth because we've only ever lived here is ridiculous...we've been to outer space, and even beyond where we've been, we've studied it and even taken pictures. Your comparison to dogs only ever knowing a house also holds no weight, because that's the very thing that separates humans from animals--we have the ability to think abstractly.

Ultimately, what I believe in and worship is Love. There is no love in nature, just like there is no hate. But I'd rather have both than none at all.

 

There are many truths in religion that you may not know about.

A baby can't understand sex until they're ready. Nor can I truly understand schizophrenia.

For all you know people have the potential to levitate. Just because you may not experience it, doesn't conclude it's not true. It just means that all you know is your experience.

How is money fake? Egos, or labels? They're definately real and have purpose. Trees are fake too, it's only a tree if u call it a tree.

It's better to realize the true meaning of anything in relationship to you, instead of deeming it "fake". Everything is "fake", the only real thing is you. What you believe things are. Chairs, marriage, friends, God, purpose.

 

look at the picture as real as it can get.
do not apply any humanity to it.

where an organism on an planet.
though we have seen beyond our own planet and know there is more exsisting beyond us, that dosent apply to our daily life here on earth.

a creature ONLY can know whats its surroundings are.
humans know space and earth. its surroundings.
where it all came from could never possibly.

 

You cannot be so sure of that. A pigeon can perceive electromagnetic signals that we can't innately. I'm not saying that we can be telepathic or have hidden extrasensory organs, but kinda. I'm telling you man, there are natural states of consciousness that most men never even see once in their lifetime. There are "supernatural" things that happen that you cannot possibly imagine until it happens to you.

 

Many different cultures over time have come to the same idea of a force that brings all things together. Even cultures that had been completely isolated until just decades ago came to their own conclusion of what controlled existance on their own.

The arguement being introduced is that earth is the frame of reference, which is true, and that because of this all humans would come to some of the same conclusions, which is also true.

But just as religions differ in very distinct ways, we should look to how they are similar to see what lies beyond the frame of reference we place on them. Religion is a primitive way to explain the forces, and therefore the compilation of such forces, and how existance is controlled by such.

I understand what you are saying, Floes. It is admirable and humanitarian in its motives. But by suggesting that religious people are making a type of mistake does not bring those people into the same line of reasoning as you.

I repeat, religion only attempts to explain higher ideas in animalistic ways. Buddihism, for example, explained the idea of Newtons third law of motion millennia before Newton ever existed. Many other examples exist.

 

Very true. We don't even have a truly concise and definitive definition for consciousness yet. Maybe some religious experience endowed a person with knowledge of this.

All religious experience is ultimately distilled into reality, although we might not have the technology to decipher it.

 

thing is, we keep thinking. . . People need guidance on how to lead their lives. The way i see it, whether you're an athiest, agnostic, spiritual, christian, muslim, jewish, etc etc etc, it doesn't matter...

What matters is that you take the positive of whatever you believe in. The main idea of any religion is to be a good person... It's once it's taken to extremist levels that the followers become fucked up.


An extremist athiest is just as annoying as a christian extremist

 

=] i got what i was looking for from the previous three statments above. not necessarly answers at all just other perceptions on the subject other then my own. thank you. both very strong true statements regarding the subject.

 

i just look at the subject of religion with what i have experianced with my own two eyes.

not applying what any humans have told me.
no faith of believe. just what i see with my own two eyes.

but the entire point of religion is believing what you cannot see.
so my view of religion is flawed in its own way.

 

Whao thats awesome, but you must agree that people need something to live/die for. No one really wants to die so I guess religion is a way to believe the fact you can live eternally. So I do agree with you however people should be allowed to belive what they want, I just wish they wouldn't force others follow their lead.

 

you should always take what people tell you into consideration, and question it, research it, look deep inside of yourself to see if it makes any sense, and if it makes you a better person... That's when you decide whether or not to believe in it.

The fact that you have all these questions, and that you're fitting the pieces to the puzzle, is great! Don't stop questioning...

 

Why oh why is religion "fake"?

No matter who you are, no matter what you claim as the truth, one thing has to be acknowledged - we came from somewhere, right? Somehow, at some point in time, the world and lifeforms came into being. Whether you take a scientific view, a spiritual view, both, or neither - you have to agree we came from somewhere. If you don't, then you're just being difficult.

The thing about different religions is that they are simply different clothes worn by the same exact thing/force/deity. Some people are more romantic/poetic by nature. I like to worship the gods and goddesses because to me, they are a very beautiful personification of specific parts of our life force.

Think about two magnets. Back in the day, people saw two magnets connect and called it magic. Today, scientists see two magnets connect and say the force of the positive and negative poles...yadaya. Same thing, different way of putting it. Science is coming full circle to the ancient way of thinking - they are just putting it in fancier, more complicated turns. Who's right?

I'm Pagan, and my religion is highly scientific and highly artistic, as well as highly spiritual. I love doing rituals and feel connected to my interpretation of the divine. I see the craft as being very artistic and beautiful. I enjoy feeling my own spirituality.

How is this fake? Things don't have to be physical to be real. In my life, my faith is as real to me as the chair I'm sitting on. If someone told you a dream they had last night, you can't possibly tell them "you had no such thing" - how would you know? When someone says they have religion, how could you know if they do or don't? It's internal. A person's joints don't have to be crippled by arthritis for them to feel the pain you don't see.

Of course its a pain in the arse when people force their religion down your throat. No one likes that. But don't discredit the people who find that their own beliefs truly resonate with the beliefs found in a certain "religion."

 

But do not question to question. If you find something holds true and brings together all the ideas that make the universe balanced, do not debate it just to attempt to best someone through a better ability to manipulate language.

One can not say that Earth is the only point of perspective. All things are a point of perspective. All represents everything else in some way.

Why is it EARTH that is the only idea to be truely known? Why is it not ME?

ME? YOU? US? IT? IS?

 

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Personally, I don't think we're ever going to stop making up stories. Deduct religion from culture and you still have people believing in bizarre conspiracies, pseudo-science, justice, ethics... People don't get any smarter for losing their religion. They still learn more from movies than they do from school, because at the end of the day, Hollywood is a way better teacher. And the things we learn from movies are important. We learn about justice, resolution, rightness. We learn to expect these things, to demand them. And in due course, we get fed up of demanding them, and we either find them in what already is, or seek to create them.

It all comes down to a desire to believe that the universe is on our side, that it's not just a gigantic and implicitly hostile accident that we kinda got lumbered with. If God's out there, he's both incredibly predictable and yet incredibly indifferent, ruling as he does a universe which consistently follows rules which are leading it to slowly die. In that light, a godless universe that is only as fair and just and meaningful as we can make it is (to me) far more appealing.

 

But to say that existanve is NOT ar fair and balanced as it is appealing because of religion is to say that it is not.

For example, a group of people die and we say why. But why not. Cause and effect explains eveything and it is this for which we can only sit back and be in awe..,

 

How?

How does cause and effect explain everything?

What is everything that needs explaining?

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