What can we really learn from DMT?

It seems like all the experiences I've read were really abstract and they haven't taught me much. What can this stuff really teach society? What do the entities want to teach us?

I've done it a few times but don't personally recall ever reaching hyper-space, although I heard a voice telling me to relax and let go.

 

As much as I love DMT, I think that it's harder to learn from than other psychedelics, purely for the fact that it's so short and the body metabolizes it so quickly.

That's what I find so extraordinary, I always find it hard to believe that what Im experiencing is purely the result of a white chemical, especially one that I've just smoked and inhaled. It seems so natural and comfortable that I always forget that it's "just a drug".

Once DMT slowly lowers me back to earth, I feel like I've just woken up from a bizarre, beautiful dream. But - I forget things. Just like dreaming.

Five minutes later I'm trying to describe to people what I saw and it's almost impossible to do. I found this frustrating at first but now I just accept it. That's just DMT - it's a complete catapault out of your normal existence for about 6 minutes. Unlike other psychedelics which seem much more personal and introspective.

 

I think the only thing that the "entities" are trying to teach us is that there is a very real and vivid dimension close to ours that is constantly operating in harmony with ours. We are apart of "it", and "it" is a part of us. It's just a quick preview behind the curtain.

If they had a voice, I always imagine they'd say something like
"Do you see? There is no need for any human to ever be concerned or worried about anything again. It's all pre-planned. We know your past, present and future. This existence is only temporary. Life as you recognise it is strange, beautiful and VERY VERY short so enjoy it. Now you have been shown that there is more after death. "

Or something like that anyway. Maybe not in so many words!!

 

I agree very much. I believe DMT could change the world if it were to alter the perception of an entire culture. The population could generally be more spiritual, loving, and appreciative for life, living in harmony with nature. There are a lot of walls that need to be broken down...

 

i <3 this place

 

i have never done dmt but i get a very similar vibe from salvia. except instead of telling us not to worry because it is all preplanned, salvia feels more like it is telling us not to worry because we have infinite opportunity.

like this life is a cradle for our budding egos and cosmic energy to actualise itself. the cradle gives us infinite chances to make mistakes and learn from them, and then to move on. but the cradle will always be there to nurture and care for us if we need it, and we only move on of our own accord.

i have always felt like salvia takes us to a level that is like a post-enlightenment enlightenment. as if it is a gateway to the dimension overseeing the dimension that is overseeing ours.

i can't help but wonder sometimes if there is more than one direction to take when considering things on a cosmic scale. almost as if there are numerous -- if not infinite -- god essences (all of which we would consider to be complete in totality) which extend in different directions.

having myself just attained what i would consider to be the eastern definition of enlightenment i am looking forward to the infinite possibilities and endless journey that is laid out before me.

 

In the state of "enlightenment" there is no looking forward, there is only now.

 

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False.
Entirely.
True enlightenment shows you infinity, and how every action you make can cause an impact on infinity.

 

i think that enlightenment is often a misunderstood term. it seems that alot of people have come to think of enlightenment as 'the end of the road'. but it has become quite clear to me that we are on an endless journey, and there is really no end of the road. just infinitties upon infinities. so by this definition there is really no such thing as enlightenment.

which is why i said the eastern definition of enlightenment. i feel as if i have been freed from the karmic cycles, and the dual nature of reality. i have found nirvana, or rather it has found me. but it is still obvious to me that beyond this infinite pool of pure love, there is much, much more.

i mean i could not be enlightened, but i have never felt like this. it is quite rediculous and impossible to describe. i could also be wrong about there being more past enlightenment, but it is what i believe.

i guess sort of what i was saying is that just like there is now to this dimension's future and present, there is also something even past that. uhhh i really don't know how to say what i am trying to say.

 

you could have a very high level of realization, but to call it enlightenment is just putting it in a box. conceptualization and self importance are your enemies. just live for the moment and experience whatever it is your awareness is currently fixed upon.

i think the lesson of DMT isn't really a lesson at all in terms of thought or information. its learning a certain modality of consciousness. a super-aware super-present state in an all encompassing infinite moment that is in a dynamic motion. this state or space can be occupied by other entities beings whatever, but whats most important is just the awareness itself pure and simple. its such an intense and vivid presence in the current moment; a preview of the goal of spiritual practices like chi gong, yoga, and meditation.

 

enlightenment is just like any worthwhile thing: it's what you make of it.

 

yea maybe i shouldn't have used such a strong word. because it is obviously going to cause confusion. i am currently more awakened than i have ever been before. i am at one with god and the universe at all times.

i'm not trying to conceptualise here, or give myself self importance. just trying to explain things for the relevence of this thread.

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it just seems like to me that after one achieves all-powerful all-encompassing enlightenment, that is really only the beginning of the road.

 

its my view that if you truly found this oneness, you would leave your body and exist only spiritually. You may be there, or on the way, but I do not think you can find "nirvana" in this world, or in human form.

 

well, in truth, there is nothing to find. only the present. so i don't see why 'this' can't be achieved at any time.

 

ancient teaching, ancient technology.

 

After 30-40 times in spectacular and wonderful places - or is it a place? Maybe a place. Anyway, he told me that afterwards it puts him into a slightly more psychedelic place, but he doesn't see it as life-changingly radical as acid. Where without question or even choice, a lot of lives have been changed. His changes were permanent, as in healed. Just don't see that with DMT.

 

A better way to learn from DMT is Yage', the Sacred DMT Brew. It is much longer lasting (1-2 hours) And the slow come up gives more time to meditate and prepare. Going into a Yage' session with a certain idea on your mind can bring you much enlightenment on that subject. Im not saying it will tell you the answer, it will just give you hints and put you in the right direction, you still have to think for yourself.

 

I believe "nirvana" (i like to call it bliss) can be found, but its very easy to lose (IE coming down)
haha :]

 

what statement were you pointing to?

well we are always on the way. so it's perfectly possible to achieve this in any form. the struggle for nirvana is an inner struggle. what good is that if you can't turn it outwards onto the world?

 

I personally believe that DMT and other psychoactive drugs have a lot to teach people because they put them at a higher vibrational level making them closer to the divine. All the things that these drugs produce is a production of the mind every hallucination everything. This is how it teaches, the lessons are fogged in metaphore and lost in memory but each person gets the experience they needed to have when they do these drugs.

This is a great question to be asking. and the voice was right just flow with life.

"Row Row Row your Boat
Gently down the stream
Merily merily merily merily
life is but a dream."

I knew it all along