everything you do is stored on a database

Discussion in 'Conspiracy' started by The Earth, May 1, 2009.

  1. yonosoymedico

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    gotcha... I have heard that they store and study the way people type(not from a conspiracy theorist) and what people search for, purchase...etcetc... so I guess it could be true that they try to store date and see developing trends for marketing research... I know that would make some sense..they do have some huge rooms full of computers saving information....but when it comes down to it, what the hell is the point? people are somewhat spontaneous, as well are their needs and purchases... it seems like a little too much work, and like giving 'them' a little too much credit, ya know?
     
  2. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    There is no point. Lol, too much credit:YES.

    Yeah, you can sign up to have what you type into google - and other search engines- , stored. Obviously companies also do market research, too. But neither one could be connected to you personally. It is just your area, your age and sex ... those kind of details. Not your name etc.
    That's also voluntary.
     
  3. Mrdude46

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    Off the grid for two years now,
    nice not getting electricity bills

    Very very quiet here, except for the birds and elk.
    Seems like we are the noisy ones around here.

    High in the mountains of New Mexico
     
  4. Nikalaus

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    I don't belelive that EVERYTHING is on database. But to think that the powers that be don't eavesdrop is absurd. The technology exists. So why the hell woudnt they.

    And to the nay sayers that think the techonolgy is Sci fi. I have recently had the opportunity to play with a friends IPHONE. On this phone there is an Application, that you can get which listens to a couple of seconds of ANY ... and I emphasize ANY song and within seconds it tells you the artist, album, label, and year recorded! And I tested it on REally Really old country recordings like the Carter Family. :O.

    I pitty who ever is naive enough to think that this sort of techonology is one way only.

    A couple of keystrokes and i'm sure we the people/users can be the database.
     
  5. The Mushroom Man

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    Of course if he did say he had insider information and presented, i can bet big bucks that you or another theorist would find some "more credible" document that proves his wrong as well as proves that it was placed in his hands by "the man" in order to further their imperial tendencies or some other shit.

    The Mushroom Man
     
  6. Dropzone23

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    One name comes to mind. George Orwell.
     
  7. Styve--At-Large

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    its not really one single database but a collection of resources.

    if a certain person is causing trouble and make him/herself noticed "they" can and probably will look into them. it'll probably be like the FBI or some other agency that will do a background check, credit check, parking tickets etc.

    if they are able to access your county's database that has everybody's information then finding out who you are [even if it is vaguely general] isn't that hard.

    if "they" want to know more they can hack your computer and see what you have been up to, hack your cell to see who you been talking to, track your credit card to see what you have been buying.

    this is nothing new.

    if you dont attract attention they shouldn't look at you. maybe a glance because some one was bored but what are the odds of that?
     
  8. Sebastunes

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    I sometimes think everything I do is stored somewhere .. if thats really the case(apart from being store in my memory) im completely fucked when someone else reviews my past.
     
  9. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    Yes and No.

    It is not like their is enough personal to comb through every mundane telephone conversation or average email. But there are certain trigger words and phrases that will get you into the database. The list of the those trigger words/phrases likely numbering in the 1000s already.
     
  10. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    I'm not sure about these "trigger words"...people use language in a variety of ways.
    It seems odd that the mere fact I may say: bomb...will bring MI5 to my door.
    Surely they target individuals for other reasons.
    I dunno.
     
  11. lostminty

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    in terms of the internet and computers, monitoring is great...esp if you have the elite on speed dial.

    The simplist fact is that microsoft's software could have backdoors, key loggers and self updating monitoring software.
    Google is pretty much a data aggregator, have you seen google trends? which are really handy for sales...monitoring search trends etc, change your marketing to suit the season.

    anywho. What is more important than what the individual is doing is what the population is doing, lets face it...one person will do very little, a society is very active...and powerful. If you have a model of a countries psyche then you have them under your thumb.

    Maybe a lot of you watch the doco's on 9/11, NWO etc etc down the rabbit hole. Well, I think that stuff is there on purpose and it puts you in a box, smaller and smaller the box gets until you suffocate...until you cannot even see what you've let them rob you of...your sanity. An insane man may know someting magical...but never enough to tell people, and if he does...well they're so far ahead it doesn't matter...even if it were true.


    I hope this image clicks in some peoples head

    http://wknurowie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/huxley-orwell.png
     
  12. deleted

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    i thought everything was stored in semen>;\(
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Not really such an outlandish conspiracy theory this one.


    As processor speeds increase and cost of memory decreases, wouldnt be that hard down the track for people to right software to pattern match all the info.

    100 years from now your great great grandaughter could be doing a geneology high school assignment and pull up all the porn sites that were visited from computers at the address of your ISP account was billed to during your college days.

    Privacy of information is irrelevant if illegally obtained info from key loggers, network sniffers is matched against router tables and the like
     
  14. Sebastunes

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  15. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Huxley's vision was definitely much closer to the truth than Orwell's, though both made a lot of good points. Huxley's vision is coming true by the minute (or already has). Orwell's may follow, depending on the route that everything takes.
     
  16. skip

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    It's more of a Brazil scenario I think than 1984 or BNW. On the one hand you have the technology now to instantly scan hundreds of databases for info on one person. Pretty amazing what would come up on someone now. As they tie in more of these databases, the picture gets ever clearer on someone.

    Now that might be a good thing because if there is abundant info, there should be fewer mistakes identifying ppl who are truly problems. So if you are acting like a terrorist say on a website, but when they check you out they find you go to church every sunday and contribute to the RNC, you will probably be cleared, although now it's people like THAT that are the new threat to Obama and others.

    I say it's more like Brazil because soon there will be more efforts to use such datamining to rewrite history. It's been done already thru conservative books that have attempted to rewrite history - first it was the 60s (they said hippies caused all our problems today), then it was Reagan (turned an asshole into a hero), then it was the Bushies and you saw how fast they dumped their emails & correspondence into the toilet.

    Why do you think Obama can't even surf the net or have a blackberry? Everything leaves traces. I'll bet all those missing emails still exist if only in each receipients computer, or backups.

    But this is a big new field - data removal and rewriting. It's not just SciFi anymore!

    Do we have a reason to worry about all this...?

    I think an overdependence on digital data will mislead our gov't into thinking they know more than they really do. Good example is what is happening in the mideast. They have so much data but when ppl like the Taliban are already luddites, they communicate in old fashioned ways that don't make it into databases. So much goes missing. Hence the need for more human intel.

    In any case, Brazil, BNW & 1984 all warn about excessive gov't power being used for the wrong reasons. Whoever controls the flow of information controls the people.

    Today you see more and more attempts to control info via the media. Look at Murdock's empire and how he tries to dominate big markets with his media outlets. Just like William Randolf Hearst did (one of the main ppl who got marijuana criminalized).

    But we are right to worry about companies like Google that offer our gov't such tempting information on everyone who is online in most of the world. Never let google dominate more than they already do or we are fucked.

    I would swear Google is an NSA project, but I can't find enough links between them to prove it. But that might indicate they've just covered their tracks. I can't imagine google can resist any requests from them for info anyway.
     
  17. Zorba The Grape

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    Once again, blame the conservatives when the Left is just as guilty. It's all the same damn thing, and I don't think anyone can really find the truth about what's going on in the world if they still pretend that isn't so. Left/Right is, to use the words of a certain unperson, a false paradigm.
     
  18. skip

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    No Zorba, it's the left that uncovers the misdeeds of the right. It's the left that brings to light the true nature of Capitalism's greed and its effects on everyone. It's the left that concerns itself with the welfare of the poor and marginalized, and seeks to raise everyone's standard of living, no matter who they are.

    Now, let's get back to the topic at hand and not let conservatives derail this thread.
     
  19. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    I'm not a conservative. You're clearly very political, which I already knew, and it does seem to be a habit among political people to think in terms of 'us vs. them': e.g. if I'm not on your side (Left), I must be on their side (Right). I am certainly no more in favour of conservative political groups than I am of left-wing groups because, as I said, you get the same bullshit from both sides. You must be wearing a massive set of blinders if you think the left is looking out for your welfare. I wish you wouldn't try to stifle disagreement by labeling people as conservatives (a grave insult, on this site), or worse, propagandists. It's not good form.
     
  20. skip

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    There's a clear moral diff between the "conservatives" and the "liberals", one that has become far more evident lately.

    Selfishness & greed vs equality & liberty is how I see it.

    What's confusing you, Zorba (and many others) is the diff between conservative & liberal politicians and REAL people.

    Now back to the topic, puleeez.

    Here: The conservatives would use datamining to manipulate and condemn those who don't conform. Liberals would use it to uncover corruption and those in need of help.

    Think J. Edgar Hoover vs. Elliot Spitzer.
     

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