4-HO-5-MeO-XXX to a 4,5-methylenedioxy-XXX / 4,5-MDO-XXX

okay so currently we all are aware of, or should be aware of, or at least you'll be aware of now... That mixing a tryptamine into a mushrooms substrate, say like DPT, or DiPT, MET, and the fungi will fruit with whatever tryptamine you used instead of DMT, so instead of giving Psilocybin ( O-phosphoryl-4-HO-DMT)
and Psilocin (4-HO-DMT) you'll get mushrooms with 4-HO-DPT, or 4-HO-DiPT, or 4-HO-MiPT or whatever, even 4-HO-AMT is possible.

and i've seen alot of speculation about putting 5-MeO-DMT into the substrate, and it possibly creating a brand new compound 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT.

but then i started wondering when i was twiddling around on the 3D molecule viewier/builder on my iphone and i realized, that it might not turn out that way, but rather they might just meld into eachother (the 4-Hydroxy and the 5-Methoxy) and possibly form a 4,5-Methylenedioxy ring between the two of them.

This is just speculative, but its all in the right place for that to happen.

Yet?


well when i made the structure, im looking at it and its bugging me cause i know i've seen this, what is this...

ahh It's none other than

4,5-MDO-DMT
4,5-MDO-DiPT
4,5-MDO-MiPT
4,5-MDO-DPT
4,5-MDO-AET (i wish, would give a real Tryptamine MDMA haha)
4,5-MDO-DALT
4,5-MDO-DET
4,5-MDO-MET
4,5-MDO-AMT
4,5-MDO-EiPT
4,5-MDO-PiPT
4,5-MDO-MPT
4,5-MDO-BiPT
4,5-MDO-NiPT
4,5-MDO-NiBT
the list can go onnn and onn



just a short list of possibilities..


And the 4,5-MDO-xxx series was something lightly talked about in the TiHKAL book II, there was only one report about any of the 4,5-MDO's


4,5-MDO-DiPT
QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (25 mg, orally) Nothing much happened for about 3 hours, and then I suddenly shot up. I was at the plateau for a fair time, the recovery was difficult to define chronologically. This was in daylight; I was reminded very much of LSD.
:cheers2:

Now maybe just maybe.. we can have a novel/organic route to all of the 4,5-MDO-Tryptamines.

If i'm missing something, and its impossible for them to turn into a 4,5-MDO than my bad, its an interesting thought though so i figured i'de share it with you all.
I need to find a source for 5-MeO-AET, definatly the 3rd one im sending through the mushrooms. in an attept to see if this will work.

Cause Its a Win Win, how I see it.

either they don't connect and dont form a methylenedioxy instead of seperate 4-HO and a 5-MEO. or we end up with entirely new chemicals

4-HO-5-MEO-DMT
4-HO-5-MEO-DiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-MiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-DPT
4-HO-5-MEO-AET
4-HO-5-MEO-DALT
4-HO-5-MEO-DET
4-HO-5-MEO-MET
4-HO-5-MEO-MPT
4-HO-5-MEO-AMT
4-HO-5-MEO-EiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-PiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-BiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-NiPT
4-HO-5-MEO-NiBT

another thing that i want to point out, but will only point it out with DMT, DiPT and MiPT compounds.. the possibilities of..

4-HO-5-ACO-DMT
4-HO-5-ACO-DiPT
4-HO-5-ACO-MiPT

and maybe even..
4-HO-5,6-MEO-DMT
4-HO-5,6-MEO-DiPT
4-HO-5,6-MEO-MiPT

Sets the stage for many many new compounds.

 

For those with limited knowledge on the subject of replacing the substrate to make mushrooms naturally produce synthetic tryptamines of your liking, check out the following link: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=360050&f=126 -- it also goes into the 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT a bit.

 

How stable would they be and are which ones are orally active?