Will the RC market probably be dead within a few years?

Well since the DEA is busting vendor by vendor, do you think that pretty soon within the next few years that all remaining vendors will stop anyways and that the RC market will pretty much be non existant?

 

Nah if anything it may get a little dry for some time like the lsd market did after the huge bust in what 2000? but now it has really started to pop back up again at lest in my area so I think the worst thing that will happen is the market will be a little bit more barren for a few years but will slowly creep back up.

 

That's usually how it goes. As long as there is a demand for something, eventually there will be a new supplier.

 

No but once enough vendors get busted all the other vendors will probably decide its not worth it to sell online though, totally different then the lsd market

 

i hope not.

 

Not worth it? I don't think so, I think that where money is people will follow. Some of those people are making WAY to much money. I think it is here to stay. It just might be pushed further into the underground if anything.

 

The market will adapt.

 

No chance will the DEA succeed in crushing vendors and the scene. They may take out all of those who are most visible but they would have to dig deep to take out the core.



Ya know what might slow their process a bit though. IF EVERYONE STOPPED DISCUSSING THIS SHIT ON OPEN FORUMS. WHY EVEN RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT SUCH ENTITIES EXIST. OBVIOUSLY DON'T MENTION CERTAIN VENDORS BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO EVEN RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THERE BEING VENDORS.


Things have changed and are changing quick

 

vendors are just urban legends you noobs

 

You have a great point. There is no point to mention where chems come from, aside from their chemical composition. I think HF could benefit by becoming more strict on this, much like BL.

nah.. it's just gonna move more and more underground.

 

Yeah because they don't already know that vendors exist. Nope they have just been busting them. People need to learn not to post specifics but acting like they dont exist isn't going to do a thing.

 

eh.. not necessarily like that. But saying "well the stuff/phenethylamine/tryptamine/etc that one guy has, the guy that is slow/reliable/been around/blah/blah/blah, is the awesome/not up to par/etc" is probably not good. Now I'm guilty of it, too, I'm no saint, but I think we all need to stop it.

 

DEA can't do a shit with sources OUTSIDE of USA. Althou' vendors inside of usa get busted. DEA sucks.

 

Are you looking over your shoulder?
Are you who I think you are?
Arrrr ye a pirate???lol j/k that last arrrrr wasnt serious.

 

Has the DEA busted any vendors lately?
Source?

 

The war on drugs failed decades ago. RC's will only become more popular I'm almost sure.

 

However, there are still people that fight it. No need to draw any uneeded attention. It's not as if we are in the strictest privacy, talking amongst ourselves. This forum is open for anyone to see. We should all remember that when we discuss.

 

Regarding not discussing the existence of vendors: I think this would have been a good idea if it happened two years ago when everything was fairly underground. Today the game plan has changed unfortunately. We would all be naive to think that the powers that be don't already know about vendors and the scene. Maybe two years ago they didn't, but they very clearly do now and they are trying their damnedest to stop it. When someone has a disease they would be foolish to be in denial as it progresses, early stage diseases can often be treated but people refuse to acknowledge them in a state of denial and by the time admit they have a problem it is to late.

I agree it is bad to discuss specific vendors on public forums. But I think that ignoring the fact that there are any vendors is the opposite of what should be done. We should acknowledge that there are in fact vendors and we should do so in the process of informing people how to keep themselves as secure as possible. Technology and techniques exist today that makes it extremely easy to do things in a secure fashion. Maybe two years ago the scene was not at this turning point, but today we certainly have technology in our advantage, and as fast as those who would stop us work at catching up with counter-technologies, we further evolve. In the game of chess both Kings are left on the board when its over, one simply can't progress any further (make any more moves). I am confident that we will not be put in check mate, and I am positive some of us will be left on the chessboard when the game is over. It is the other pieces that I am worried about (aka: people who don't have any idea what they are doing and think they don't need to have any idea what they are doing).

I also agree that they are going to take out those who are most visible, but the core of the scene is safe. I already said this before and I will say it again. I would bet a million dollars on this happening:

The feds gather a huge list of vendor contact information. They wiretap every one of the vendors email accounts, but they don't take action yet they merely collect shipping addresses for a period of around six months. After the six months are up they will have thousands of addresses, and they will get warrants for each of them. It will be Interpol coordinated as so many different jurisdictions are involved. Then one day, or over a series of a few days, all those addresses are going to get raided. There will be more than enough reason for probable cause. A lot of people will get arrested and a lot will be found with various drugs on them. It will be portrayed in the media as unprecedented despite the fact most people busted will have personal use amounts.

The people that are not busted are going to be those who encrypt their emails with GPG (can't collect addresses with a wiretap) use Tor (can't be traced to an IP) and get product sent to PO boxes with fake IDs (can't raid a PO box facility and there is bullshit info on the IDS). The outer part of the scene will be quite fucked, but the core like gdeadhead said will be fine.

Uncomfortable things to talk about huh? But the truth of the matter is these things need to be talked about, especially on public forums because the people on public forums are the people going to be most effected. People on private forums for the most part already know the score. And it isn't like we are leaking information to LE, read the news its obvious they know what is going on. Do people think this can just go on forever with nothing being done to stop it? Obviously something is going to happen someday, and 9 / 10 chance that it is going to be that. Ignoring an Elephant in a China shop wont make it go away.


Things are changing, that's for sure, and that means WE need to change. Things that don't evolve go extinct.

Another aspect of the longevity RC scene is the huge reliance on China and the fact that China is starting to clamp the fuck down on RC suppliers.That will make things more difficult for sure, but I suspect things will just switch over to India, and considering how long it took China to do anything we still probably have a few more years, but I do suspect the transitioning time will be quite dry.

 

There have been a few recent busts, mostly opiate, weed and MDMA vendors in USA. There was a RC + other stuff vendor busted in New Zealand a few months ago as well, as well as an LSD reshipper in USA and several of his customers, and another reshipper that was snitched out by his supplier after he allegedly stole money from him. A vendor in UK got raided too. Big benzo supplier in central America and his workers got busted a while ago after a scammer posted hi-def pics of his packaging and WU details on a LE forum after he didn't cooperate with extortion (thats my understanding of what happened anyways). Hmm maybe a dozen busts in the past year or so, minus the steroid vendors who had a shit ton.

 

Okay...but nothing that was purely RC lately (from what you say), and no one in the US for RC. I guess MDMA could be considered an RC. I guess I think of RCs as something that's not specifically scheduled.