Obama's murder of innocent men, women and children in Afghanistan

How many can? From what I've read nothing much has changed.

http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2009/04/madre-afghanistan-war-women.php

http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2009/04/afghanistan-law-allows-rape.php

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/31/hamid-karzai-afghanistan-law

 

Gardener, I like you but you are very very manipulative.

"Amendments will take place," and the law "will not have any concerns on any account of human rights and especially the rights of the Afghan people," Karzai told reporters at a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Brown said he discussed the law with Karzai.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghanistan-karzai28-2009apr28,0,2650270.story

 

Your article goes on to say this:

And while these women are waiting for the promised amendments what is the law?

 

From what I have read, women already have it pretty good.
So they will remain having it pretty good.
They apparently are on an equal footing to men - in theory anyway.

I think the main controversy has been driven by feminists, who have trouble with men (obviously ) and with things like marriage vows that contain: I promise to love, honour and obey...
Which in the proposed "new" family law is: nashiz.
It is the word nashiz that seems to be needing clarification.

The "amendments" seem to be similar to what Obama has been doing...not changing anything but clarifying the meaning of the language used.

I'm still reading about it, really.

 

Oh well. Its too late to change now. Its time to kill ourselves. :boxing_smiley:

 

No, I don't believe that the US invaded Afghanistan because women are being oppressed. The USA would never undertake the cost of a foreign military invasion just because women are being oppressed, so this much-ballyhooed "reason" has little or no bearing on anything. IMO this idea is more than just patently false: IT'S A BALD-FACED LIE THAT WAS SPREAD WITH MALICIOUS INTENT BY THE NEWSMEDIA PROPAGANDA MACHINE, i.e. or in other words, it's a "sham reason" that was meant to divert attention away from the truth.

You will need to place everything in its proper historical context if you want to understand what's going on.

Historically, the US invasion of Afghanistan was triggered by the "false flag" attacks of 9-11-01.

9-11 spawned the dual myths of "al Qaeda" and "bin Laden," and the myth of "bin Laden" was employed as a pretext for invading Afghanistan.

The will to invade was already in place, and a pretext was engineered to meet the will.

If you do some independent research, you are likely to conclude that 9-11 was carried out by high-ranking zionists in the US government who were looking to destroy the enemies of Israel through the deployment of a proxy military force. In other words, the zionists needed "bin laden" because they were looking to justify the implementation of their pre-existing plans.

Why is Afghanistan important to the zionists ? The importance of Afghanistan lies in the fact that it shares a border with Pakistan.

Pakistan is the real target.

 

Where does all of this evil meddling come from ?

Why is "our" government always meddling in the affairs of Iraq and Afghanistan ?

Why must we send soldiers into these places, just so that they can wreak havoc and devastation ?

It doesn't serve our national interest when we send soldiers into these places.

IMO, it all boils down to the fact that the government was taken over by a bunch of traitors who owe absolutely no allegiance to the taxpayers.

 

Neither do I. I believe the US and others went into Afghanistan to wage a war against terror.

The War in Afghanistan, which began on October 7, 2001 as the U.S. military operation Operation Enduring Freedom, was launched by the United States with the United Kingdom in response to the September 11 attacks. The stated purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to al-Qaeda. The United States' Bush Doctrine stated that, as policy, it would not distinguish between al-Qaeda and nations that harbor them.

Don't see anything about saving women from oppression.

Do you mean: If I head on over to some crackpot website...they will put the blame onto the Jews. Been there, mate. Didn't like what I saw.

And why pray-tell is Pakistan the real target? Given our co-operation recently.

 

You sound very familiar. I won't respond if you are somebody who has spouted this kinda thing under a different username.
Please tell me if you have been on the forums before April...thanks.

 

Mad as a hatter.

Ever heard of: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373?

 

It gets murkier every day. There are real issues on the line here. But the fighting has to stop and civilian casualties like these, are exactly why we went in there to push out the Russians.

 

right...

america is a convenient vehicle by which these people can wage war on their enemies (ie the people who happen to live in those areas that they see as their own given to them by jehovah)

it was interesting, recently i happened to be talking to a far right wing religious christian (face to face - i like to see if the mindset has changed as time goes by) who casually mentioned that israel in the future would be much bigger. if jehovah was so powerful why is he getting someone else to kill his enemies??

don't get angry, just vote and calmly remove silly angry people from positions of power. from a psychiatric perspective there is no way that they can be responsible for running a country or its affairs if their gaze is always back to the "old country".

the more people that vote, the less likely that these people will get elected - obama was part of that change. As obama fails and takes the advice as given by these fifth columnists then people will realise that the democrats offer no alternative choice.

democracy only works if people make democracy work. democracy is not a free ride to a harmonious society where people are valued and respected, it is an ongoing commitment of free speech and most importantly voting and thinking for yourself.

when in doubt think for yourself for a while.

 

Oh I see you, you went to Kandahar, and you found out what the Afghans think? No Rat, you are a hypocrite jackass for pretending you can speak for Afghans but nobody else can. In reality, you just read your conspiracy websites and then you repeat what they tell you to think.

What do Afghans think? Well we know who they vote for. But for Rat, who won't even get off his ass to vote in America because the space goblins control the world, nothing is easier than sneering at people who literally risk their lives to vote for the first time in their lifetimes.

And how about the polls that show Afghans overwhelmingly oppose the Taliban, support NATO, and think their country is better off? Who cares, the space goblins control the polls too.

Because civilians died you see. I'll bet you thought defeating the Nazis was good. Well how happy were the innocent French citizens when allied bombs killed their families as they prepared for D-Day? They survived just fine for years under occupation, at least until the Americans tried to 'help' them. How can you liberate people by killing them? You see its all lies, I learned it on everythingintheentireworldisaconspiracy.com.

 

That was stupid and completely untrue.
What proof do you have??
( I happen to be a lefty AND a Democrat)

 

As a matter of fact, fucker, I HAVE and AM talked to them. What about you? You got stoned one day and decided that the media is steering you wrong? STFU. You ALL don't have a fucking clue WTH is going on. Stupid FUCKS.

Yeah, you are the ones that knows what the hell is going on. Someone who sits in america safe and making up their own shit. YOU don't know mother fucker! Shut the hell up! Fucking idiots.

Move to France your dumb shits.

 

calm the fuck down man... acting foolish doesn't give your argument any more sustenance... You are being all inclusive, and you know how many vets are on this forum.

I realize that children and woman were being killed and tortured there, but here is the thing man... It has been going on since before biblical times, same thing with Israel and Palestine, I mean, that region has been that way since, well, forever. If they won't stand up for themselves first, fuck em. We had no problem doing it, our forefathers put themselves and families on the line... when is the last time you heard of civil revolution against oppressive regimes in the middle east?

 

OK, if your a vet then great. I don't care that I am over here. I just don't like people talking shit about something they don't have any IDEA about. It really pisses me off.

And YES they do need to STFU. I am acting foolish?! They are the ones going against their own country! Fuck that.

Forget this thread, I knew I should have left it alone.

BTW, If you think we should just let the country go to shit then thats great for you. I don't know about you, but we ARE making the world a better place. We are not the only ones over here either. I work with brits, aussies, germans, ugandans, indians, etc.. So its not just us that thinks its fucked up. Someone has to do something. You think we should just 'leave'? Yeah RIGHT! They control the oil over here, then someone like Saddam will come back and cause more trouble.

Eh, nvm. I will not read this horrible treason anymore. PEACE

 

What makes you think people don't have any idea what they are talking about just because they don't agree with you? I think it is great that we have patriots like you that feel so strongly about a cause, but dude, you are flaming people because they see it just a little differently.

 

A little? They are saying that me any everyone else that serves is toasting up little kids because of some 'evil' man that WE ALL elected as president...

If you don't want us to help them, do something about it. Protest.