It's nice to know our country can still afford this crap

MiG-25 suck, yeah they are fast but that's it also fast means higher heat signature not good in the skies of today.


Btw the F-22 would mob the floor with a Eu Fighter, it pretty much built to prevent dogfights.

MGL, I agree with you I wish we would slow down spending on our war machine too.

 

Btw I feel sorry for those whove lost their jobs too. I was raised by an unemployed mum and its really hard

 

Even if you're on the dole you're still paying for the leeches and war machines. J.S.A is taxable...all money belongs to UK PLC, the corporation we like to call Britain. I'd like to say let's stick together and do something about it, but what? We're already doing something by opposing it through peaceful discussion and this mentality that we have. I'd like to mention a few other things I've done to change things but they'd whip me in the streets!

Ok....like MLG I did a litter pick in my local woods....I spent 5 hours clearing a small section of the land. I left it in a pile by the side of the wood as I couldn't get it to the tip on my own as I was very young. It took the council 3 months to move it to the tip....if it was the council.

 

I actually thought this evens it out quite nicely, I don't want my money spend on things like war and other bottomless wells and the system doesn't want me sitting on my lazy ass getting stoned all day. There should be a deal to be made of this

Hear hear!

 

Rask did you really do that? :cheers2:

My problem is I just dont have the brains to think up any proper solutions, and I certainly struggle with understanding things like taxes and the workings of the economy. Having difficulty with numbers doesnt help. Also not having a word said about any of it in school seems rather odd to me seeing as this is the world we have to live in as adults

I see the bullshit, but all Im doing is getting on with it, trying to do all I can personally, growing a bit of veg and trying not to harm anyone...

Something needs to majorly majorly change
It would help if more people were actually bothered

 

Yup, I even roped a friend into because he said he liked animals more than me!

Being French I thought you'd be on the front line, leading the riots!

I think that just by questioning everything around you and not falling for the bullshit is enough for now. As long as we keep this mentality of not being sheep alive, we're doing something about it. I know for a fact that people reading your posts will be encouraged to want to do something, it's Chinese patience at the moment.

 

Thought that was one of my posts, I mean rants, for a moment there.

 

So did I. Where have you been?

 

I've decided that I am going to write to the council and ask them to pay me one day a week for collecting rubbish around the coutryside. The job centre are hassling me to contact at least one employer a week, or they will stop my benefits, so I am going to write to the council every week. They're an employer and it's a job that needs to be done, and it'll pay for my weekly giro. Somehow though, i think the expenses milking scum will decline my offer, but maybe I'll do it for the amount I get on my giro anyway.

 

:cheers2:Welcome back Ian, good to see you postianing agian

 

And that's exactly what I'm going to do as well. It's a famtastic idea that needs to spread :cheers2:

 

I'm glad we are getting them. It is a decent fighter, and compared to many others out there it has a lot of bang-for-buck.

However, I would rather our government spent more money on ground equipment that our troops in Afghanistan desperately need.

Now I know many of you are pacifists or whatever, but I am sure you have enough sense to realize that we can't just pull out of Afghanistan and leave it in chaos and leave behind the civilians who are counting on us to stop the Taliban coming back. I don't agree with us having gone in in the first place, but we cannot leave now we are there. I am also sure that you are not naive enough to blame the soldiers for the governments ill doing.



Edit: Reading your posts it seems you are not arguing about the rights and wrongs of the war etc. My apologies for my little rant.

Actually in mock dog-fights the Eurofighter has beaten the F-22 several times. I agree the F-22 is the best fighter out there, but it doesn't make it invincible, plus it is ridiculously expensive.

 

No-one blames the soldiers, they are just following orders. We blame the corrupt governments who cowardly order them into battle.

I don't give a shit if their country is in disarray, leaving the troops there is not going to solve their problems and I don't want to have to foot the bill either.

We can barely run our own country these days without poking our noses into others.

 

So your solution is to simply send all our troops back home, and leave the Taliban to come back, start executing women for going to school, executing people who sympathized with us, forcing women in-doors, forcing men to grow beards and just in general returning to their reign of terror? Bear in mind, we would probably still be paying the same amount through taxes (The government would find something else to spend it on- those aircraft carriers that have been delayed for example).

I agree we shouldn't be poking our noses in any more countries- but we have already poked our noses into Afghanistan.

 

We've unfortunately been poking our noses into the middle easts business for at least a hundred years. The reason? Oil. Of course, everyone knows that.

If it wasn't anything to do with oil then why are we throwing our weight about other repressive countries such as China, Zimbabwe, Sudan, no of course we'd rather sell them weapons (not China FTR) so as to prop up our defence industry and subsequently keep our economy in order and stopping the entire fabric of society from collapsing.

It's ALL bullshit.

So women in Afganistan are severely oppressed. They are also severly repressed in other arts of the world. There is really not much we can do about it, the world is a very hostile and cruel place today.

We are NEVER going to solve anyones problems by military force, certianly not by indiscriminate bombing, which is what a lot of this bullshit war involves.

So IMO all we can do is leave them to it, provide the people from these places with asylum when they arrive as much as we can.

Our country is going to the dogs itself, so we are hardly in a very benevolent position in the first place.

 

Just thought I would point out that Afghanistan has no oil whatsoever.

And I know Iraq was most likely about oil, but going by your logic in which you support actions that mean you have to pay less money- then wars over oil should be a good thing as you don't have to pay so much to fill your car.

Yes, except we don't have troops stationed in the other countries where women are oppressed. We do however, have troops stationed in Afghanistan. Plus, oppressed women is not a reason to go into a country in the first place. However, seeing as we are already in Afghanistan, we are in a position to do something about it. (BTW, I don't support this war becuase of Taliban oppression. I support the war becuase you cannot waltz into a country, fuck it up and leave again.)

Not by military force alone, but military force is definitely needed. The bombing is hardly indiscriminate (Unfortunately in all wars there will be civilians caught in the cross-fire). The only people in Afghanistan who indiscriminately bomb are the Taliban.

 

Afghanistan might not have oil, but it a vital route for transportation of oil from Russia. I was speaking generally though, I don't really know what their motives for this war are, but I'm pretty sure it's probably not what they say it is.

 

They're looking for Osama aren't they? He lead the aircraft into the trade towers in the 119 terrorist attack apparently...they went there looking for him with an army but ended up saving all the helpless victims of the Taliban instead. The Taliban did not like this one bit and set up an insurgency, which has lead to many years of fighting. I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do woth the main pipelines of fuel which travel through this country from Russia towards the West.

 

lol. You mean the Osama who was a Saudi Arabian, trained in Yemen and Lebanon and funded by Pakistanis Of course he was hidden by the Taliban, but lets face it, he is either dead or long gone from Afghanistan.

However, that doesn't change the fact we can't just leave the country in anarchy. Like I said, I don't support the reasons for us going in the first place at all- but now we are there, we can't just leave.





BTW. I would just like to point out there is no oil pipelines in Afghanistan either. There was a proposed one, but that was disbanded in the 90's due ot the Afghanistan Civil War.

 

How much longer do you think it will be before Afghanistan is magically transformed into a peaceful "democratic" state, Azog?