What is wrong with women?

I can understand why lesbians dont like men... (though many still appreciate a cock).

But I cant understand why gay guys are.. well.. gay?

I mean... do most of you (Edited to remove stupidity) dislike women? Or you just dont give them much thought?

Caus as an adolescent i was rather confused when I started liking boys.. and society seemed to indicate that I was becoming gay... but this concept of gay weirded me out because i couldnt understand when I would.. uh.. start getting turned off by women?

their bodies are basically made for being fucked

so whats the go?

 

Don't You Think It Might Be A Good Idea If You Did A Quick EDIT On

This Post, Before Too Many People Get To See It, And Remove The Word

"Faggot"..??..

Just My Thoughts...



Cheers Glen.

 

why? I dig guys...? its just a word... dont be so judgemental!

 

Stoner I assume you must have been stoned when you posted this or you wouldn't have been so inappropriate in choice of words. Don't project your own dislike of women onto gay men. Its obvious you have little value for women in your comments ie; "when I would.. uh.. start getting turned off by women" and "their bodies are basically made for being fucked". WOW! thats pretty twisted. Thats all a woman is made for ????fucking???
As a gay man I sure as hell don't get turned off by women because I first see the person they are. And I wonder if you really think that maybe you're just a walking sperm dispenser made to create babies.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion here about why gay men are attracted to other men thats cool. Frame you post in a manner that respects other people and you'll get a reasonable response.

 

i dunno about your sick mind but 'faggot' means homosexual male where I come from. As for dislike of women, I actually love women and this thread is meant to be my question to 'gaffots' or 'queers' or 'homos' or WHATEVER THE FUCK you feel is an 'appropiate label':

What part of the woman do you not appreciate?

obviously women are not just made for fucking

just like men are not just made to fuck

despite being perfectly equipt with the body parts to do so.

But women ARE made to be fucked

and men ARE made to fuck

jees I just wanted to have to have some honest discussion.

For the record: I love women. I am primarily straight.

and I love gaffots. because I am camp and enjoy flamboyant behavior.

I just am trying to see if any of the latter category has insight that they can share as to what turns them off women.

Eg. straight men are turned off men for various reasons that I have heard throughout my life:
'its wrong'
'im not a fag'
'God hates gay sex'
'men stink'

personally, I am turned off many men because of the effects of testosterone on the epidermis, and male smell is rather unsexual for me. Also, I dont like the mental sexualities of many men that I encounter.

Since I can describe aspects of men that are a turn off,

I want to know which aspects of women are a turn off?

its really simple and I wish people didnt have to get so worked up about the use of a word. It really doesnt help 'your cause'.

 

Ya. you gays are far too paranoid. Not everyone is out to get you in some way. Always seem to be blowing everything out of proportion.

My other thread was serious you know. LJDV got his panties all in a bunch for nothing. The anus smells like poop and I was curious to know if thats alluring to the gay man like the smell of vagina, or if it's just something thats kind of walked around. There was nothing 'offensive' about that. I wasn't just asking 'hehe do you liek poop', I was asking if you like the aroma of it as it is inherit to the anus. I was honestly expecting some people to say yes. You know why are you sticking your penis in something if the smell doesn't attract you?

You know not everyone is out to fuck you in the ass someway. Some people might just wanna look and talk.

Ya ya. I know gay is a minority and it's discriminated against, but by looking for, and TRYING to find people who discriminate, you end up filtering and annoying some that don't really have a single hard feelings against anything gay at all.

You know you can't expect everyone to come into gay communities and know all the proper 'gay etiquette' of language, and proper subjects and questions. Thats absolutely ridiculous. I mean are they gonna start teaching classes in school on how to show proper respect for gay people. Seriously. How ostentatious can you be.

And you know regular straight gays simply talk rather crude to each other, it's not supposed to be offensive, it's just how they talk.

It's almost like you enjoy being able to go 'omg omg hes being offensive do something' cause it makes you feel all special and entitled to hold up some gay flag of pride. It's like a group mentality thing, it feels good to feel belonging to something.

seriously. we're all just people here. There is no anti-gay agenda which you have to watch for.

 

Its real simple here. Any reasonalbe discussion is welcome. Reasonable is the use of common sense and respect. When you are talking to a group of people who have been maligned by slurs and distortions don't use the stereotypical language of abuse.

All anybody here wants is respect for who they are. Since we can't know how cool you think you are, when you use the words that have hurt us in the past we will assume the worst.

When members of this community object to your choice of words, accept that at face value and move on with with your discussion in a polite manner. Or Leave. Thats all that needs to be said, this place is a sanctuary from the attitudes of the general public. Personal attacks against individual or collective members of the gay community won't be tolerated.

The power of words is real. Gay people are targeted for emotional abuse, at times physical harm or even death so we do view those words with suspicion. No one here is playing the role of being an oppressed minority. We are an oppressed minority and we're tired of it. Thats exactly why I'm objecting to certain language and attitudes. I'm trying to educate non-gay people to approach discussion in a productive manner.

 

StonerBill, you have a warped perception of things. You don't dislike guys in a sexual way because of those things, they're just additions. You just don't get sexually aroused by guys whereas a gay person wouldn't get aroused by women. It isn't because of specific things that are bad about them, and I know a few gay people who all apprieciate a womans beauty, they just don't find anything about her sexually arousing.

Sheesh. Some people are so wrapped in their own minds.

And pochikuen, I always got the impression that you were some sort of confused closet case from your other thread. Aren't you gay? (No offence meant if you're not, of course).

 

there is no 'proper gay etiquette' or 'proper' subjects or questions. we don't have some secret code when we talk to each other. it's just that different people are different and respond to different things. take the derogation 'coward'. some guys are offended when u call them that and some don't even bat an eye. similarly some guys are offended by 'faggot' and some are not. the reasons for a person to be offended by any word can be different -- significant personal experiences, expectations, insecurities, etc -- and are intertwined with their psychological intricacies. why should u care if someone is offended by something u say or not? and to come here to post about people finding you offensive -- what's the point in that? it's pathetic.

 

what do you mean i dont dislike guys in a sexual way because of thise things, and that they are just additions? I dont quite understand that.

ps. the problem with the offense taken to my use of the word 'faggot' is that I in no way made any derogatory sentiments nor did I make an suggestion that I was using the word insultingly. yarapario did not respond to my post, he responded to one word in the post. anyway, we can get over that issue in this thread only if ppl actually discuss the topic at hand.

You could say that I am not sexually aroused by highly masciline traits, that I have identified as masculinised skin/hair and smell (basically all functions of the epidermis). I find the male form very attractive if sheathed in the right skin (and avoiding any flab.. i dont like flab) with a cute face.

So cmon talk to me about your attractions or unnattractions towards women

I find unnatractive women unnatractive just like i find unnatractive men unnatractive. Unnatractive traits on women are essentially the same as with men - eg if they wear excessive makeup , or ruin their body hair through exessive shaving, (that is, if their skin aint fresh) or have more flab that I am comfortable with

You see my sexuality is defined by people's bodies, not the label that is given to categorise their type. I am trying to understand myself in the context of community. I am trying to understand why other people say that they dont find men attractive.. or that they dont find women attractive.. because as far as ive been concerned, there are merely attractive or unnatractive people in the world.. and women in general are more attractive, which I attribute to the fact that I am a male.

Or do most people only get turned on when presented with a social concept/idea?

I get turned on when I see something that I want to touch and feel and be touched by. thats basically it.

For me, this category of things is known as 'cool attractive people' (cool in my eyes, not society's).

So I would call myself a 'cool-attractive-sexual'.. not a bisexual

 

I've recently discovered, or possibly have known all along and just not realized, that I don't believe in gender labeling really. You love who you love. I don't consider myself gay or straight or bisexual or asexual or anything other label that you could possibly put on a person. I love who I love and that's it.

But to answer your question, StonerBill; I personally can appreciate feminine beauty. I have not had sex with a woman in my life, so I can't say whether there are or aren't certain things which turn me on/off about it. I can say that I do find certain women extremely attractive. However, it's only a very select few, and they are usually not the classic, cliché "hot" girls that society seems to be so in love with. I find every person beautiful in their own ways, and I know this thread is more aimed towards the sexual aspect of attraction, but sometimes I just can't help bringing a different perspective into the discussion.

 

I have had many gay friends and many gay men seem attracted to me and have wanted to have sex with me. I find that most of the gay men I know seem to like women better than herto's.

 

thing is that some ppl take offense from one single word without considering the context it was said in. it's an artificial and rigid interpretation of any word if taken out of context but some people do it. as i said the reasons for it could be different. personal insecurity could be the major one and in any case it's that guy's own problem if he's offended when no offense was given. not yours. and this was primarily a response to pochikuen since he is the one who doesn't get it.

to answer your question ---- i find both men and women attractive but i am sexually attracted to only males. and i don't have any one reason for it. i've liked guys since i was 5 years old and it's not some conscious or rational decision i made up in my mind. i never analyzed male and female traits, compared them and then made a decision about who i'd like to fuck based on that. it's intuitive. i never made a choice. and ever since i knew anything i knew i liked men.
maybe it's hard for you to understand. maybe it was different for you -- maybe you made a conscious decision about it, i don't know. it wasn't the case for me. to me, sexuality is an unconscious and intuitive knowledge.

 

The question was what is wrong with women, then the asker tells us of an almost declaration of bisexuality, as long as you don't call it that! He knows as well as the rest of us, that good looking men are all well and good then. I mean, we still keep standards and don't fuck everything that moves do we

I will be the first to admit, before acting out exclusively gay, that I have had sex with girls as well. And I must not lie, I have fooled around with girls recently. I find some women so attractive, but that is because no one can honestly admit there are definite distinctions on any sexual preference. I cannot believe people even try to comprehend labeling something so complex in such an undeserving way.

Although I actively pursue a gay relationship, My stomach can still sink when encountered by the opposite sex.

In fact, I was relatively bigoted, having gone for years thinking I was undoubtedly gay. Then only recently one girl has changed all that, and what I felt was a great friendship has been starting to confuse the crap out of me. It is as terrifying as coming out, like I am almost dancing with a taboo, although it would be the natural cause of things.

Dunno what to call myself anymore. Sexuality is fuckin' stupidly unpredictable.

 

i'm gay, and i see what you mean. fair enough.

 

yeah i find this interesting because as I was growing up, I considered affection before I considered intercourse, and my affection went moreso to boys because I was better friends with them and they were more creative and funny. As I grew, the notion of life and love entered my mind and I knew that it was not something that I related to with boys, even though I still found cute boys really cute. So this is like 5-7. In general I didnt like most of the girls I was with though. I had my first girlfriend in year 2 and she was like.. a tomboy.. and it was my first glimpse at 'love'. She didnt hang out with the other girls.. or do girl things.. but she didnt think like a guy... (many years later, I found out she is in a long term relationship with a lesbian friend of mine).

I found myself charmed by boy's looks but whenever I found girls that were very smart (in an extroverted way) or skilled, I would be woed.

As I went through puberty I was exposed to all the angles of the adult forms, trying to understand what it was that I was into, sexually, and what sex meant to me. I recognised a certain feeling that I got that made me want to look at some flesh more than others. It made me want to hug and kiss some people more than others. And I felt the feeling to boys and girls... it didnt really matter what was in their pants but what was presented by their outward appearance. I did not feel it towards adults very much though. As I got through highschool, I started developing and so did the people my age, boys and girls, and I found that these feelings were felt less and less for guys.. who were growing into men. But I was also having to deal with the societal concepts of being gay or straight or something so I looked at men to see what I was attracted to and I never felt the feeling towards the adult men that I surveyed. Of the boys my age, I would lose attraction to the ones that started looking manly, and they would be a bit blank in my mind. But I didnt stop lookin at guys because I still found plenty of guys attractive.. and I started gettin worried because I had feelings for younger boys still. However there was a cutoff of 'child' and that cutoff followed me about 5 years behind my own age.

So I did not chose what I feel attracted to, and I dont know where I gave off that Idea, but I did notice that certain factors came into play which changed my attraction towards men and through introspection ive identified them in the way that I have. Since my initial attraction was based on outward appearances, it did not have much to do with genitals but with flesh and face and hands etc. And it is those traits that now I see turn me off people, even though my sexuality is more about the shape and firmness of a body and the way that the person moves and feels the world.

which is also rather regardless of genitals except that I love the vagina

 

^^I don't think it's healthy to break people up into a series of parts. Not that I don't do it from time to time, I just don't think you should be trying to make your sexuality all about what body part you're most attracted to.

I go back and forth-- I've done both genders in different ways. I think things tend to be less complicated with guys... and I don't really feel like I have to 'watch my step' so much, and a lot of the things that would probably become huge issues with women are perfectly okay with guys. On the other hand, some guys can also be complete whores that are impossible to trust. This is pretty candid, but I think my attraction to them is less about the way they look and more about power or something... and I think those relationships tend to be cold, very physical and somewhat practical... I'm sure that it's possible for two men to care very deeply about each other, but it's just not the same.

On the other hand, I'd say I have a much more emotional attraction to women-- they tend to have this nurturing quality that is really amazing. They're also cleaner, less hairy and just overall more aesthetically pleasing... the only time I get turned off is when they're really nasty and demanding princess types... but even then, I'd probably put up with it if they were hot and willing to sleep with me. There's just something really awesome about waking up with some amazing girl beside you... so yes, I'd have to say that for me, men/women relationships have a great deal more depth to them... but only when they really work, of course.

 

All of my friends are female, so I do not dislike women. I am simply not sexually attracted to women.

 

Pheromones. Thats about as basic as I can get in explaning my sexual attraction to men. The physical act of intercourse with a woman feels great, as its designed to. There is a disconnect in the chemistry though for me. For pure animal lust, the scent of a male serves to fire me up sexually. The ability to equally share and experience pleasure with another man feels complete and comfortable to me.
As a far as friends and acquaintences, men or women, it makes no difference. Bright, curious, goodhearted people with a sense of adventure are attractive to me regardless of gender. Anyone, male or female, who can engage in indepth conversation across a wide range of topics is desirable to me. I also pay little attention to age, race, ethnicity or any other differences when it comes to friendship.
I sometimes find it awkward when in getting to know women who don't know I'm Gay. A lot of times there is a sexual tension that needs to be resolved so that a friendship can develop without hassle.






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well i didn't know what sex was when i was 5 but there was something there already then, a different --or rather: undefined-- type of attraction, that i later realized was a sexual attraction. for different people it manifests at different ages and in my case it appeared from very early on. i remember i wanted to touch guys like that already at 5. and i also remember it wasn't just out of curiosity but there was that undefined quality to it that i later recognized being sexual in nature.

it's just that you said you were interested in wanting to know why some guys are attracted to other guys. as i see it, no one reason can be given because it's not a conscious choice.