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  1. DSAGACONT_NevinJ72

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    The Saga Continues....
    America The Bigotry!
    By Nevin Jefferson

    “To a country sick with racism,get well soon!” Janet Jackson.

    Back in 1776 our Declaration of Independence was signed by our founding Fathers in powered wigs,knickers, and white stockings with big buckles on their shoes. Fast forward to 1972 when asked on a History exam to describe this period of time? I called it Early American Sissies without the purses and other accessories. My teacher called me a “Radical Hippie” then returned my paper an “F”. I told him that I was a Senior and already had my diploma waiting in the administration office. So no basic biggie! I handed him back the test paper after writing on it with the red pen I borrowed off of his desk.

    “Give this F- To Your Mama,Chump!” With that I swished out of the classroom and down the hallway. What? It was my freedom of speech to pull a Nevinism on the dear old chap. I have Freedom of Speech and everything else. Just like the zealots of this day have the freedom to do the low down and dirty B.S. Soaked with Fear,Hatred,Racism and Bigotry.

    Thirty-Seven Years later,I'm a radical Episcopalian in discernment and a “Gonna-”B” St. Francis Friar. What? He called and I answered with half of Washington hearing my booming voice that carries well without a microphone or bullhorn. Both calls! Things happen in two in my life my spiritual advisor told me 2 is for 2 witnesses with God joining in. It rang the church bells for me!

    Proposition 8 is a classic example of “Too Much,Power to the People”. The U.S. Constitution is supposed to give us our basic rights. The Supreme Court is as High as you can get without reefer. So, how do pissed off en masses of people vote to have it changed? Stopped? Because they don't like GLBT community en masses with diversity give them the right to pass a discriminating,hateful,and out and out bigotry Initiative? An Initiative cast with the ignorant beliefs that anyone different from everyone else is wrong and is less than a citizen just like the Blacks were back in our day. Not only did they do it they became headline news as the new thing to do against the GLBT community who are equally pissed off as I was. Note,keyword here,”was pissed”. I released,let go , and turned over to God.! Amen!

    Why is the Supreme Court stringing us along on this? From what I' m reading about the court case is that the Judges are kissing up to the Prosecution and belittling our Defense. Shouldn't the judges peruse themselves or have a motion for a mistrial with prejudice? What? I watched a lot Perry Mason shows and Matlock. This case isn't being taken serious like any other case would. If a Neo-Nazi Group pushed an Initiative to Revoke Civil Rights For Blacks. All hell would break loose with the media spinning sensationalism and instigation that douses the gasoline into the flames. If a nit-wited men yokies want to push an Initiative to take away Women's Rights,the nail files would fly. A brief reminder of the hush that Blacks held when the Civil Rights came up to the floor to be passed again into law.

    The thing that irked me the most was that the great number of Blacks who voted “AGAINST” instead of “FOR” They of all people should know how it feels to be denied rights that flashes back to that brief moment in time when we could have lost ours. Had Blacks lost out it wouldn't have been pretty! How can they of all people vote for oppression,discrimination,and a strong show of hated for the GLBT community. Talk about Nerve! Let's do a quick review of Negroes Past. In my younger years I heard that the Bible was published so the White Man could keep Negroes as Slaves. It was God's Will! What? Isn't God Love?

    Texas didn't end slavery until 100 years after the war thus creating the good old Negro Holiday;”JUN-TEEN!” Blacks weren't allowed to bunk with White Soldiers during the World Wars with the question of why they'd fight for a country for the Rights that they didn't have? My Mother had Mr. Jefferson pull every string that he could to get me out of being drafted. Mr. Jefferson was a in charge of a Ward. He had all kinds of favors to call in for me. Did he? No!

    The Fighter Pilots never got a ticker tape parade or the Medals of Honors Galore. In Black History Month all of the Inventors and other Gifted Men and Woman never got their due. Not even with 29 days in leap years. President Clinton Honored them and apologized to the Soldiers to make things right with them. Yeah Bill! I overlooked the Don't Ask and I Won't Tale It All dropped ball that went foul. Which was why I polled the same question about not having the rights to fight for to Gays and Lesbians want to join and who are already enlisted? To them I say “Right On!”

    The Civil Rights Movement marched against the Prejudice,Extremely,Hateful,folks from the Hicksville part of the South
    and Won! So, How in the world could these so-called Church Folks go totally ballistic and do what they didn't enjoy having done to them in hateful times? They're Hypo-Christians! Yes,the Generation that resorted back to doing all of the negative stereotypes that the older Generation fought against and rose above. Yes,the same Hypo-Christians who walk around with nappy hair,clothes hanging off their a**,acting worst than Buckwheat or Tar Baby. Yep,the ones who use the N-Word like it's nothing business and gets pissed and into the fight mode when a Non-Black says it. You can't have it both ways! The folks who don't know how to think for themselves and worship in Hate. Where's the Love of God? Where's the following of Jesus Christ to “Love Your Neighbor as I have Loved You!” This is the greatest commandment of all! I have one word for them from Universal Law,”KARMA!”

    President Obama has a Swat Team in Blacks Vans,Black garb,and sub machine guns. This is the first and probably only President who need the upgraded Secret Service Me. Who use to don Black Suits with a wiggly cord hanging from their ear. A big part of the reason is all in the stupid raves and rage from Rushed Windbag the talk racism radio show host with a drug habit. 70% of his audience is males who think the way that he talks. Now had the Windbag said the same or similar things about George W. He would be yanked off of the air and accused of being a Terrorist. And you know its true. The only reason that Windbag is saying this is because he knows that he can get away with it. And the dumb powers that be let him get away with it. Newsweek Magazine threw this on there cover along with a columnist would casted doubt about President Obama not being able to cut it in the White House. After all of the damages that the Burning Bush did including dragging the nation to a financial not one article was written about it. The good news is that President Obama is going to sign the Human Rights Bill to protect those who diversity gets them killed in other countries and with gay bashing on the rise over here in the U.S. Of A. The Burning Bush refused to sign it. This is from Satan in Christian's clothing! Going for a new low in homophobia Fox News' Bill O'Riled Up boycotting Sean Penn films because of the stance for Gay Rights after winning the Oscar for Best Actor in the marvelous film Milk. It seems like the slamming the GLBT gains one's media coverage to no end. What happened to having a Rebuttal from the other side-ours. It ain't happening! Why because John Q. Public doesn't want to hear it...they're offended by it. Don't ponder on this one, you'll go nuts!

    More good news,President Obama is going to overturn the Don't Ask garbage that was left behind in the White House. We are now being led into an “I Can!” era with strong positive thoughts and acts of responsibility from our fellow man. Everyone is showing their true colors just like in the Episcopal Church after electing the best candidate for the job of Bishop who happens to be gay and in a long relationship with another man. America,the land suffering from an epidemic of racism...Get Well Soon!
     
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    Racism begets racism...you reap what you sow. The only way to let go is to let go. But as long as there are differences, between races, between cultures, between nations, there will always be an obvious reaction to such seperation.

    So until every human is exactly the same there will always be a difference in the way we treat each other. Elightenment is the only way, not aggression.
     
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    Just yesterday there was a group of black men and women eating breakfast in the hotel where I work. They were the only ones in there at the time, so while I was cleaning things I was able to hear what they were talking about pretty clearly. They were commenting on the news story on TV, Miss California (I think) and her comments against gay marriage. They were saying that just because it's "in" to support gay rights, doesn't mean that everybody should have to. And I'm thinking, it's not too long ago that I could have sent these people out of the hotel based only on the color of their skin. But they were finally able to get the rights that should be afforded all humans. And now they are saying that these other humans should not have rights just because of who they love?! I was dumbfounded.
    I don't think that sameness would be the answer. Imagine how boring. People just need to learn to celebrate the differences.
     
  4. odon

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    I can see why people are apposed to gay marriages if they are religious.
    But, I do believe most religious people think: Live and let live.

    I don't believe Proposition 8 is out of to be" "discriminating, hateful and out and out bigoted Initiative. Initiative? An Initiative cast with the ignorant beliefs that anyone different from everyone else is wrong and is less than a citizen just like the Blacks were back in our day."

    I think that is over the top.

    It just wants to define marriage as between man and women.
    Big bloody deal.
    Ok ok...I can see that gay people want to be in the club named "marriage" for multiple reasons...but is it all really worth it? it is just a word.
    Let them have it and move on, imo.

    What IS important is if gay people have equal rights.
    I understand recognising gay marriage would solve the issue in one go.
    But the proposition did not affect the existing domestic partnerships
    Both - legaly speaking - "marriage" and "Domestic partnerships" should have parity, ofcourse.

    It is a darn shame that religion has defined a law and a word....saying that...Here in the UK we have: Marriage, cohabitation and civil partnerships.
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Yourrightsandresponsibilities/DG_10026937
    All legally different definitions of a relationship...and again should have parity in law, imo.
    It will happen eventually.

    I don't see people who are cohabitating saying the law is "discriminating, hateful and out and out bigoted"...so why do gay people?
     
  5. Tisha Mc

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    They are cohabitating by choice. They have the choice to get married if they want to.
     
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    Good point.
    But all three are still variations on the same theme and should be recognised equally.
    Again "marriage" is just a word.
    It seeems to be a big who ha about one word.

    Why do gay people want to be recognised as being "married" and not say a "cohabitating couple" or "civil partner" ?
    If it is about being recognised in a church...you have to battle the church not the government.
     
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    They want the option. The freedom to do so. Imagine if that right was taken from you. Whether you want to or not, you can't. There are people out there that say they do not support gay marriage because it does not aid in procreation, which is the only reason for marriage in their opinion. So if they were to have it their way, then I guess any woman that has gone through menopause may not marry, any infertile person would not be able to marry. Trust me, there would be an uproar then.
     
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    It does seem DSAGACONT_NevinJ72 wants this for religious acceptance...and religious aknowldgedment (one issue).
    That's a battle for gay people and the church (one issue).
    I understand some people: do not support gay marriage because it does not aid in procreation, which is the only reason for marriage in their opinion (one issue). Not myself, I'll hasten to add .

    I would hope for equality in the law too (one issue). The equality in the law, imo, has nothing to do with the law wishing to be bigoted or all the other things, DSAGACONT_NevinJ72 has said.
    If that were true gay people would have no legal rights at all...and obviously they do...just not so equal rights as far as a married couple have.
    To be legally equal I do not see the big deal about the term "marriage"...aside from it having the more immediate effect, possibly.

    So we have multiple issues and many issues not raised here.
    Do you think all these issues will be solved with the law changing to aknowledge "gay marriage"?

    If I was religious then I would battle the church to accept me.
    I'd battle the law to give me equality.
    I wouldn't battle the law to aknowledge gay marriage.
     
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    And what of those that are not religious? Even though this is supposed to be a country of religious freedom, somehow Christianity has become the nation's religion. You are free to practice whatever religion you want, as long as the government says okay and they are allowed to put restrictions on how you practice. But that aside, in a country that claims to be free of religion, why are it's laws based on religious ideas. I have yet to find someone that can give me a non-religious reason why same sex couples should not be able to be married. So, for a gay couple that does not practice christianity, where is the justice. They are not only being descriminated against because of their sexual orientation, but they also have to follow the rules of a religion that they do not belong to.
     
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    The second two.

    In a predominantly christian orientated country...
    Christianity is going to efffect how things are.
    Even if there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state.
    "Marriage" (the joining of two people) has seemingly been accosted by religion...or has there been a revisionist attempt to alter the definition of "marriage"?...so that it now means two people, any two people?

    As that is the crux of the matter.
    If the term "marriage" has always meant: man and woman...
    Then to be "married" to use the term "married" - you do have to be a man and a women.
    The law just reflects that.
    There are other terms for two people to be joined, like I have mentioned...which are slowly being on a par with "marriage".

    Do you know the history of the union of two men or two women?
    Was it common or a reletavively new thing?
    I'd say it was a pretty rare occurence...so even if you were not religious, then "marriage" would always refer to a man and woman in union.

    So perhaps it is not a religious thing just a marriage thing and the way most of the world - religious or not - sees "marriage".

    Religion has just dominated the debate...
     
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