Salvia

I've smoked salvia. It was a waste of time.

 

true, i am the exception to the current norm. but i think the only reason for this is because most people want a scientific basis for understanding, and want a step by step thing to follow to get there. and there is no such thing. you simply have to allow yourself to slow down and feel it. it's right there. but there is no scientific proof or basis for any of this, because it can't be measured in the physical world, because the physical world does not exist in actuality. it's simply a process of inverting your mind. which suddenly sparked a thought... perhaps i'm having these inverted salvia experiences to understand where the majority of people i interact with are coming from.

we are in complete agreement with that.

i think psychedelia jumpstarted spiritual not religious practice, as they are vastly different and distinct. spirituality then became ass raped into religion. but i think that this jumpstart only occurred after we forgot how to do it on our own (this anomaly that i seem to have increasing access to), and wanted some way to get back "home." and i am completely agreed that psychedelics are a fantastic and easily accepted way to expand the mind and the conscious and experience deeper spirituality for the majority of people. it's a great get started tool. but i am saddened when i see people getting bogged down in cause and effect. needing to trip to feel god or spirit or whatever you want to call it. needing to trip to see and feel visions. i think it's meant to open you up to a place where you can experience it for yourself without the plants/chemicals/whatever.

while it may seem like it's all a physical/psychological response (the psychedelic experience) it's really an energy thing. it has nothing to do with science or biology or chemistry or psychology. it's source. it's all there is. the means to get there don't matter. you can use a substance, or you can let yourself go there on your own. i think the soul naturally gravitates to this, but we surround ourselves so much with all this physicality, all these laws of impossibility, and it creates an anti gravitational field that prevents us from seeing and touching reality on a daily basis. i've simply removed my anti gravity field. or more specifically, i'm in the process of removing the last bits of it.

 

nesta pwnt this thread. haha

 

lol. that's just funny. i think there's something about the salvia that induces nakedness though. i've stripped both times. for one because i got hot, but i just felt like my clothes were wrong, haha! the second time i didn't even remember stripping!

 

i find it to lack virtually all qualities of psychedelics.

it is primarily a stimulant, with a very pleasant body buzz (i recommend massages) and empathogenic qualities (generates empathy). you will be awake, alert, happy, and relatively clearheaded. outside of therapy sessions, it will lack most of its therapeutic potential, and will instead just be very pleasant. it does of a swimmy, odd mental effect similar to low doses of mushrooms, but will not make you confused as easily. you'll be able to hold coherent conversations easily. most people find that at most "normal" dosages, there are little to no visual effects.

you should handle it fine. i would recommend 2C-B over MDMA personally, though.

 

nakedness is just fun. but yea, it was weird. eventually, after we came back, we had teh sex...but yea, very weird

i've never had a bad experience with salvia though...and i only need a small extract to get a great experience...have no idea what i'd do with a 10x extract, nevermind a 20-25x. i've only used 5x and have had some crazy visuals and what not

 

many people try and argue that religion and spirituality are different, however i feel the differences are minor and blurry enough to render the argument irrelevant hair splitting.

by religion i mean only one's set of values, beliefs, cosmology, dieties, morals, etc. i do not necessarily mean dogmatic religious organizations such as christianity, islam, buddhism, judaism, etc.

a religious experience is an experience of a spiritual nature, be it ego death, entity contact, boundary dissolution, or anything else which will cause one to question, change, or reinforce their religious ideals and understanding.

spirituality refers to the spirit or the realm of the spirit, and this is religion's primary concern, too.

i certainly do not depend on psychedelics, either. i trip very rarely, these days. i have engaged in concerted prayer, in meditation, have witnessed miracles, and have even had visions without the aid of any substances. as for the visions, though, i have reached profound selflessness and visions of the void, but have never met divine beings, seen the spirit world influence the empirical world, or been made to question the fundamental nature of reality/perception because of these types of visions, and they have been exceedingly few and far between. and again, with DMT created endogenously and fluctuating in concentration in the brain at various points during a human life, along with other significant neurotransmitters, it is hard to claim that these "natural" psychedelic and pseudopsychedelic states are not also a result of a drug catalyst.

when one considers the fact that extremely little is known about the actual inner workings of the brain, it is hard to say what psychedelics actually do. my views on the matter are as follows: our senses do not serve first and foremost to allow us information we would otherwise be without, but rather to prevent us from getting the full picture. look around the room in which you are sitting. what you see is not all that is there. if you were able to see infrared, ultraviolet, or to sense other things we know exist but cannot perceive, then the room would look completely different than it does now. the air is packed with radio waves, information zooming through the air, through your body, totally undetected in your day to day life. i believe that an evolutionary advantage is presented by limiting what the human senses can perceive. there are many aspects of reality we know of now which years ago would have sounded preposterous....colors we can't see, xrays, gamma rays, radiation, radio waves, etc. i believe there is much more out there which exists but we haven't any inkling of. i believe it is quite possible that psychedelics help temporarily lift the limits of our perception, and that the psychedelic experience may in fact allow us to more clearly see all of reality, many parts of which would be too difficult to deal with perceiving on a day to day basis. i think the world of gods and angels is not so much an abstract, metaphorical realm of existance totally seperate from ours, i believe they overlap, literally in the same space, and interacting with each other in ways unknown or seldom perceived.

i believe all routes to visions are equally valid provided there are legitimate results, and i see no reason to discount psychedelia as somehow inferior to meditative visions and such, as i feel that even other varieties of such religious experience all boil down to neurochemistry in the end, anyway. more important than how you arrive at the visions is how you deal with them in your day to day life. i find psychedelics to be absolutely wonderful tools for spiritual growth and religious experience, and i find they can impart impressive wisdom in certain individuals, increased understanding. but when some kid eats a half an eighth of mushrooms and sits on the couch smoking pot and watching the simpsons, there will be NONE of the trademarks of a genuine religious experience. psychedelics are full of potential, but as everyone knows potential can be squandered quite easily.

i do not think that psychedelics are inherently good or bad, or inherently spiritual, i think they simply open up our perceptions and tremendous good may come from that under ideal conditions.

 

At a thereputic dose of MDMA for treating PTSD, you would take about 50mg, and you would feel a lot more 'with it' than you do day to day.

That's why its valuable therapeutically. I actually have a lot of information about that if you're interested.

 

yea, Lode helped me with my psych term paper on using MDMA for treatment with PTSD patients

very very interesting to research.

 

lmao, Bella, that comment about Andy saying you have down syndrome when you trip made me laugh so hard. The first time I did salvia, the world went all funky and I felt kinda drunk and like I was in a fun house of mirrors, but I was seeing everything else like that, not myself, lol. The second time I was just about to put the pipe down when it hit and I couldn't let go of the pipe until it was over, and that time I went to this river in a world of yellow and green legos, then I was back before I knew what was going on. The third time, well, I just watched the ceiling wobble for a couple minutes. I think we still have some, but hell, I'd rather just smoke weed.