Either god doesnt exist or we dont have free will.

I think if you are to call something god it must be omnipotent and all knowing. Therefore if god exists he knows exactly what you and I will do even before we do it. If god knows what we are already going to do that means we are going to do it either way. So we wouldnt have free will, therefore either god doesnt exist or we dont have free will.

Let me know what you think.

 

God doesn't exist.

There's your solution.

You can thank me later.

 

Im not sure if god does or doesnt exist.
Whats your reason for saying he doesnt?

 

God exists, but not in a way we can fathom, and not as an entity with desire or will. Free will is an absolute truth, "God" however you wish to define him/her/it, is a total mystery.

 

I had to read it a few times but that makes a lot of sense.

 

There is no evidence that he does.

But take my word for it, I simply know.

 

When you make this arguement you personify God, and assume the whole "God pulls the strings" deal. There are a billion implied assumptions within this question.

God does exist tho, I know =]. The Bible is like the worst path to meet the realization though.

 

"So you're God, huh?"
"Yes"
"Do you know what I'm going to do before I do it?"
"Yes"
"What if I do something else?"
"Then I don't know that."
"Cool, cool."



So yeah. The major flaw I'm seeing in your reasoning is that it requires one to believe that a thing must be omniscient in order to be considered a god.

Aside from the fact that many pantheistic religions depict gods as far from being without flaw, even if we talk about the Abrahamic god, we're referring to ancient texts. OK, so some will insist that they're the verbatim word of a god, despite the fact that there's usually a fair few often radically different translations. But if we assume that it is subject to the same mutability that every other piece of language in history has been (and there's a guy around here who insists that the Bible somehow isn't), then "omniscience" need only really mean "all the knowledge we have times a gazillion". Maybe I'm cutting them too much slack, but things as apparently incorruptible and constant as numbers have been lost in translation in the past.

Either way, it's possible that, a few millennia later, we're catching up with God. But maybe not. Maybe God's just one or two steps ahead of us, all the time, like a teacher staying one step ahead of their student. Either way, omniscience would be really easy to fake if you were smart enough and cherrypicked your audience. Banksy manages it.

 

This is a deliberately lazy argument, right? I'm not mad at you if it is, I just want to know.

 

I just honestly don't feel like getting into it.

Accept the simple nature of my argument and branch off it by yourself if you want to.

All in all, arguing something as trivial as God's existence is completely and utterly pointless.

 

God is a mere hallucination.

 

the real problem is that we probably don't have free will either way.

 

I think an omnipotent god could create a physical reality based on laws of nature and physics.

 

Are you able to do anything you want this very moment, within the bounds of physics?

 

Watch Terence Mckenna's lecture on shamanism and machines.
Most rational explanation of the universe and our role in the universe that I've ever heard.
God isn't entirely made up. It isn't what most religions would have us believe, but rather god is everything, god is reality, and us for that matter.

 

Bingo. We, and everything that is, are a physical manifestation of "god". This reality is god's dream, if you will.

 

are you're wants the result of past experience and interactions...or are the unique and come from your erm soul,

Been wondering lately, are we living life or experiencing life

 

Spinoza's concept of god seems very well proportioned...I've never seen the argument for it but it says something like counciousness and matter are properties of the divine material

 

I don't totally agree with that I mean we might be wrong.
After all we have no proof that god exists, this are mere speculations.

 

No matter how you choose to define god; as a supernatural deity who invokes his wrath upon those who displease him, or a divine consciousness which manifests itself as the physical realm in which we reside, his/her/its existence can never be proven or disproven. Nor can it ever be understood by our simple human minds.

I agree on Spinoza. I had never read any of his work before, but it seems his ideas of reality, divinity, and humanity are similar to mine.

As for are we living or experiencing life, I think that is highly subjective. Some people live, some people experience, some do both, and others merely exist.