I don't think I would ever do it.. .but I picked the traditionally brewed way. Any other way just doesn't seem right.
as a means of introducing exogenous DMT to one's body. ayahuasca (and it's analogs) are the only way to do it orally, as DMT is severely broken down by MAO and ayahuasca and its analogs contain a source of DMT as well as an MAO inhibitor. smokeable extracts of DMT bearing plants produce an experience akin to smoking pure DMT or injection of it, but orally introduced DMT is less overwhelming and longer lasting. it is also qualitatively different because the necessary MAO inhibitors are also psychoactive in their own right, and make the experience different from a "pure" DMT trip. ayahuasca and its analogues more often than not result in severe nausea, at least in the beginning, resulting in the purge. sometimes even diarrhea is present. smokable DMT lacks this, but is more costly to come by and far briefer an experience. also, i almost am disappointed when a psychedelic doesnt initiate a purge, i think of it as part of the experience. at the same time, smokable DMT, if taken in the proper dosage, is more overwhelming and profound. but ayahuasca has thousands of years of traditional religious usage, and enthusiasts say promotes a more important experience
I'd like to just try straight up pharmahuasca. Maybe even DPT with an MAOI, which some peopler refer to as "propylhuasca". lol As for the poll though.....I voted for analog; perhaps mimosahuasca or something.
Well, mimosahuasca is basically the same thing, and you have to brew it, but it just involves different plants than traditional ayahuasca.
Traditional brews used by tribal folk can sometimes contain other ingredients too, such as datura/brugmansia.
well i'm trying to decide this for myself. however, i'm by no means new to psychedelics in general, and have experienced DPT which, while different from DMT in many ways, is on the same order of magnitude i'm leaning towards traditionally brewed ayahuasca. its cheaper than getting the stuff for an extraction, it's easier to make, the experience is longer and more likely to teach me something probably for most people new to DMT, though, smoking it would be best. ayahuasca by necessity contains MAO inhibitors, otherwise the DMT would be destroyed in the gut and produce no effect at all. therefore, one has to maintain a strict diet before, during, and for a short while after drinking ayahuasca in order to avoid dangerous drug interactions. it also causes great GI upset in most people, almost always ending in a rather violent purge. this is credited with much of the healing power of ayahuasca, removing physical and spiritual impurities through purging. after the purge, however, one falls into a very deep psychedelic experience
yes, traditional brews are open to quite a bit of variation, but certain things remain steady. for instance, ayahuasca must ALWAYS be brewed with ayahuasca vine, never with syrian rue seeds. the seeds are more potent gram for gram, and cheaper too, but they have a totally different chemical makeup beyond the harmine and harmaline. and other substances, such as tetrahydroharmine, occur in much lower quantities in syrian rue than in ayahuasca, which some credit for the differing qualities or characters of ayahuasca versus it's analogues. but among the religious ayahuasca drinkers, the vine is what makes the tea ayahuasca, it is why the tea is named after the vine. it is the most vital part of the brew, and it, unlike chacruna or other DMT-bearing admixtures, is useful on its own. anyway, i think i have decided to go with a strong, traditionally made brew for my first foray into the world of DMT. i am, of course, scared, but i am also ready to let go and learn, and see the visions. at the moment, i am most likely going to order 100g of shredded white ayahuasca, 50g of dried chacruna leaves, and 25g of dried chaliponga leaves. i believe this should give me 2-3 good, strong doses, or 3-4 milder doses, but am hoping to hear from experienced ayahuasca drinkers as to their opinion of this.
I'm sure the traditional brew tastes beter than mimosa+rue does, because the mimosahuasca is fuckin disgusting. I wasn't even able to finish drinking it. lol
if i was going for an analog, i'd probably make a tea with either chacruna or chaliponga, or even rue, and just let it dry off into a gummy paste and capsule it, and i'd buy rue extract (really cheap) and capsule it as well. take the rue, wait about 40 minutes and take the other stuff
but no matter how bitter the vine and leaves may make it, i'm sure it will be easier to drink than cactus juice. i couldn't finish THAT....it wasn't the absolute worst tasting thing, but god damn it was like drinking a huge cup of bitter green snot....so thick and disgusting
hahaha Yeah I was actually gonna suggest that you maybe try some pachanoi or peruvianus with an MAOI. I'm sure it tastes and feels like a putrid mixture of moldy snot or something. lol I'm not sure how the tyramine content of the cacti would react to the harmaline though, as many people suggest avoiding tyramine with harmaline.
