There is God.

But, you would be mistaken to call God a Him, Her, It, She.

Perhaps, we, though.

Forget the Christian view as God on a throne in the sky, with Jesus "at the right hand of his father".

Forget every concept you know about God.

Walk outside, watch that sunrise, those clouds, that person pass by...
Those animals run through the trees. Anything.

All this movement, all this energy, working as a whole.

Perhaps this will hint an even greater God,
Inseperable from what we distinguish with our minds as the real, physical world.

 

Ah. Toltec wisdom. Is a great thing. God is everywhere. God is everything. There's a great book about toltec wisdom and personal freedom that talks about that called "The Four Agreements." It's not high reading level, but it's still very inspirational.

 

Toltec? Sounds Meso-American.

This sounds far more logical than any organised religion yet. More harmless and liberal too: no submission to anything that might not even exist. But I don't know. I guess anything supernatural or even subnatural, pseudonatural, pentanatural or diginatural is lost on me. It simply never triggers the reaction of "hey, that may be true". But out of all religions or quasi-religions, this Toltec thing and Discordianism would be my first choice if I really had to pick something.

 

Hehe discordianism is the best! Hail Eris!

 

In more scientific language: Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Everything is just re-arranged. If this is so, you and I live forever. Death is merely change. Life is merely change. Very physically, very scientifically. Pattern leads to pattern, leads to pattern...

 

IMO
I think it's retarded to think so.

 

You would.

 

You trade one improbabilty for another. I fail to see the reason that the beauty I see, the happiness I feel should be a product of some Great Unity or Divinity or anything other than what it is. Beauty is not the product of God, it is not the product of a determinism or cooperation. It is beautiful simply because you percieve it as beautiful, but that is no reason to let that hamper its beauty. In fact it makes it that much more significant.

Okay, so take my brain. It is what is responsible for my consciousness and awareness, which is what I value about 'living'. When I die and my neurons and cells in my brain (which makes up 'me' and my consciousness) die and cease to function this matter changes and decomposes and is eaten by bacteria or other things.
How does that translate into existence of my 'consciousness'? I do not care if the matter that was once defined as my brain, no longer functioning, is decomposed and changed into to something else that does not have the functioning providing me consciousness.

So it is true to say that what was once 'me' still exists in some other form, but that does not mean I will be conscious or 'live' forever as you assert.

 

of course, nothing exists outside of god. nothing is what supports and creates that which exists outside of god, and inside too. no-thing is the basis, or background from which all material manifestations arise. god consists of nothing and everything.

after all you can't have one without the other. it is not the clay that makes the vase useful; it is the space within the vase that is useful.

it is possible to awaken god within the individual, the self.

in that state you are the eyes, ears, nose, taste and feel of creation. you are a finite expression of the infinite, the something that hides the nothing, and is only apparent through the emptiness surrounding the thing; and to other, finer, subtler senses - the something and the emptiness pervading the something.

reduced to it's elements, matter is not solid. it is energy, pure energy and no thing. (no-thing) the reason that we experience "reality" as solid is because of the frequency at which we vibrate. we are attuned to material existence.

but we are also receptive of vibrations outside that bandwidth.

you can tune your consciousness like a radio dial.

god is no-thing and at the very same present moment god is every-thing.

Namaste'

 

actually, the brain acts as a filter. it removes any stimulus it finds to be un-necessary for, or distracting from the senses necessary for physical survival and/or gratification.

eating, sleeping, fucking, fighting, etc. are the animal drives we are attuned to. pleasure and satisfaction of the five senses.

we posses more than five senses however. relax your brain and open your mind.

 

You seem cryptic and unclear to me. You are making many assertions but you aren't relating it to anything but more assertions.

However, I do agree Bush should be impeached. Perhaps it was good that he got re-elected, now there are 4 more years for the dumbasses that voted for him to see his corruption, his lies, his mal intent, and the many more bullshit actions he will preform in the next upcoming 4 years. He only has a 4 year damage potential, but I suppose solace to see his stupidity revealed is not worth the damage he will do.

 

cryptic and unclear is perfect when discussing Spirit. It is a personal thing, in my view, and everyone can have a different view, and all be right.

 

Not when the goal is to ellicit understanding.

 

i dont think Burn is trying to impose a religious philosophy onto you. onto us. i dont even think religions necessarily hold that sort of philosophy. to be more accruate, i think Burn is trying to say that beauty is there. energy is there. in the water and the trees and in our minds. some people call it God, or a being, or spirituality, or just beauty. but essentially we are all looking at and appreciating the same thing. true?

 

I do not mean You and I will live forever, subjectively. Sorry for that misunderstanding.


A great quote I think sums it all up:

"We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is but a dream in which we live in the imagination of ourselves."

I am expressing something I understand to be true. I see beauty, I feel it, and appreciate this life I am able to live and experience. I feel there is a spiritual energy in existence, and that as a whole it will never die, separate from itself in any way... and it binds us, moves us. That is what I believe and feel to be true.

I'm just sharing. Thanks to all who understand this, and take my words as you will.

 

Burn

Well said.

Occam

 

Burn

And again.. great
pattern being what?
Structure.
All is structure.
Who determines that pattern/structure exists.?
Occam knows not.

But it seems that patterns.
those structures.
embedded in reality.
Are the reality we observe. And our abillity to do so.

Occam



Occam

 

Thurmontico

You have made a very large assumption in this post.
Quote
"It is what is responsible for my consciousness and awareness" [the brain]

How so?
Is not your brain but a Material structure in human observed reality?
A thing...no more responsible for itself than a rock...

MIND is responsible...

Mind seems to be a function of brain...
But that does not seem to always hold true.
There are many examples of mind doing things that the structure
of brain does not seem to allow.
An example is the chiche'd parranormal.
Of epiphany

There are many valid and unresolved examples.

This is just small validation for his belief that MIND .
In concert
Is WAY more than the sum of it's parts.

Humanity has a vaste potential
How about some trust...some confidence...
Some...

Occam [the patient]

 

I see nothing in this thread but bad poetry.

How do you move from:

(1) The universe is beautiful

to

(3) The universe is all one consciousness that is God

- ?

Where is your connection between (1) and (3) - the former does not imply the latter in any way. The best I can really see you coming up with here is an emotional plea to some sort of intelligent design (iow - hogwash)

- Laz

 

No need for spiteful remarks.

God is not beautiful?
We, subjectively, cannot see the universe as beautiful?