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This is something that might really offend some people in this forum, or it might open peoples minds, which ever it does i still feel it needs to be shown to you. I originally posted this somewhere else

(Original Thread)
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com...ena&Itemid=1905&func=view&catid=230&id=123301

(Theres plenty of arguments and interesting vids to the above link)

So here it is...

From collecting Data from all over the World....its as simple as this!
That HIV does not caused AIDS.

That AIDS does not even exist.

That AIDS never was.

Now, we are convinced about the tremendous horrible Fact that millions of people dying on toxic medicine. We do belief that the whole AIDS Myth is nothing but a horrible moneymaking genocide with main concentration on the people of Africa.

We do belief that the United Nation are one of the main promoters of deadly Drugs, and we do belief that the United Nations purposely ignoring the Protest of hundreds international recognized Scientists, claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS, claiming that AIDS does not exist, claiming that AZT and its derivates are deadly Drugs.

For that reasons, we are certain that it is our conviction to fight against the most heinous violation of Human Rights the most heinous Genocide ever happened in this World.


... AZT is a prescription drug and according to the manufacturer itself it causes symptoms that are indistinguishable from AIDS” Professor Dr. Duesberg




Why? read below…

As an explanation for the origin of AIDS, the HIV hypothesis is implausible because it contradicts a number of established principles of virology and immunology. It is also at variance with a growing body of empirical observations.

Some Examples:

Retroviruses do not typically kill their host cells. On the contrary, they depend on continued replication of the host for their own survival.

Viruses typically cause disease shortly after infection, before the immune system of their host can respond. There is no other example of a viral pathogen which causes primary disease only after long and unpredictable latent periods, only in the presence of neutralizing antibodies, and in the virtual absence of gene expression, as HIV is said to do.



Dr. Fabio Franci, Specialist in Preventive Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Trieste, Italy:

"I am not an agnostic; I am well convinced HIV is harmless."

"Nobody wants to look at the facts about this disease. It's the most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. I've sent countless letters to medical journals pointing out the epidemiological discrepancies and they simply ignore them. The fact is, this whole AIDS thing is a hoax."



Dr. Richard Strohman, Emeritus Professor of Cell Biology at the University of California at Berkeley:

"In the old days it was required that a scientist addresses the possibilities of proving his hypothesis wrong as well as right. Now there's none of that in standard HIV-AIDS program with all its billions of dollars."



Dr. Harvey Bialy, Molecular Biologist, former editor of Bio/Technology and Nature Biotechnology:

"HIV is an ordinary retrovirus. There is nothing about this virus that is unique. Everything that is discovered about HIV has an analogue in other retroviruses that don't cause AIDS. HIV only contains a very small piece of genetic information. There's no way it can do all these elaborate things they say it does." (Spin June 1992)



Dr. Joseph Sonnabend, New York Physician, founder of the American Foundation for AIDS Research (AmFAR):

"The marketing of HIV, through press releases and statements, as a killer virus causing AIDS without the need for any other factors, has so distorted research and treatment that it may have caused thousands of people to suffer and die."



Dr. Etienne de Harven, Emeritus Professor of Pathology, at the University of Toronto:

"Dominated by the media, by special pressure groups and by the interests of several pharmaceutical companies, the AIDS establishment efforts to control the disease lost contact with open-minded, peer-reviewed medical science since the unproven HIV/AIDS hypothesis received 100% of the research funds while all other hypotheses were ignored." (Reappraising AIDS Nov./Dec. 1998)



Dr. Charles Thomas, Molecular Biologist and former Harvard and Johns Hopkins Professor:

"The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the Western world," (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

"AIDS has been a disease of definition. If we said that it didn't exist and didn't pay for it with taxpayers' money, it would disappear in the background of normal mortality." (Penthouse April 1994)

"I feel that for scientists to remain silent in the face of all this doubt is tantamount to criminal negligence." (Spin June 1992)



Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati, Toxicologist and Pathologist, California:

"HIV does not cause AIDS. There is no scientific evidence that HIV can kill infected T4 cells. The true problem is that the leaders of the HIV hypothesis have been ignoring important medical facts and are blindly attributing AIDS to the HIV virus. It is very sad and frustrating to know that the AIDS establishment are giving highly toxic drugs such as AZT to pregnant women even with studies that show the depression in the immune system can be reversed by nutrition. Prescribing anti-viral drugs to AIDS patients is like putting gasoline on a fire"



Dr. Alfred Hässig, Emeritus Professor in Immunology at the University of Bern, former Director Swiss Red Cross blood banks:

"The sentence of death accompanying the medical diagnosis of AIDS should be abolished."

"AZT (anti-viral AIDS medicine) has, in countless cases, brought about the inevitable and slow asphyxiation of the patient's body cells. The doctors wrongly diagnose the fatal consequences of AZT medication as AIDS following a prior HIV infection. Treatment with AZT and allied toxic substances may be equivalent to joining a suicide squad with a time fuse."

"It is the duty of every doctor to preserve life at any cost -- and not death-curse people based on any test so they are so frightened they kill themselves. I am sad to say that these voodoo methods were practised despite there never being any proof that the detected antibodies are an indication of mortality in all diagnosed people. I consider it medical malpractice to push patients into dying by prophesying an early death. We are medical scientists, not prophets!"



Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology. Former Director of the Department of Viroid Research, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München. Robert Koch Award 1978.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

"During the past 20 years HIV-AIDS research has shown to a line of critical scientists again and again that the existence of HIV has not been proven without doubt, and that both from a aetiological (causal), and a epidemiological view, it can not be responsible for the immunodeficiency AIDS. In view of the general accepted HIV/AIDS hypothesis this appeared to me so unbelievable that I decided to investigate it myself. After three years of intensive and, above all, critical studies of the relevant original literature, as an experienced virologist and molecular biologist I came to the following surprising conclusion: Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." (Letter to Süddeutsche Zeitung Oct. 2000)



Dr. Steven Jonas, Professor of Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY:

"Evidence is rapidly accumulating that the original theory of HIV is not correct." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)



Dr. Hiram Caton, Ethicist, Head of the School of Applied Ethics at Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia:

"The orthodoxy will collapse because it flunks the practical test. The AIDS epidemic was a mirage manufactured by scientists who believed that integrity could be maintained amidst the diverting influences of big money, prestige and politics." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)



Dr. Luc Montagnier, Virologist, discoverer of HIV, Institute Pasteur Paris:

"There are too many shortcomings in the theory that HIV causes all signs of AIDS. We are seeing people HIV-infected for 9, 10, 12 years or more, and they are still in good shape, their immune system is still good. It is unlikely that these people will come down with AIDS later." (Miami Herald 23 Dec. 1990)



Dr. Roberto Giraldo, Specialist in Internal Medicine, Infectious and Tropical Diseases, New York

"HIV tests are meaningless. A person can react positive even though he or she is not infected with HIV. The tests are interpreted differently in different countries, which means that a person who is positive in Africa (or Thailand) can be negative when tested in Australia. There is no justification for the fact that most people have not been informed about the serious inaccuracy of the tests. The error has catastrophic repercussions on thousands of people. Since people are reacting positive on tests that are not specific for HIV, let’s please stop labeling them as ‘HIV positive’"



Dr. Frank Buianouckas: Professor of Mathmatics, Bronx New York.

"I am suspect about everything involved in this AIDS epidemic, because if HIV causes anything, it certainly causes fund-raisers. It sells stocks. It supports dances. It sells condoms. And it keeps the AIDS establishment going." (Penthouse Dec. 1995)




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Dr. Michael Lange: Head of AIDS Programme St. Lukes Hospital, New York:

"What I would strongly support is a more open discussion. We do not know the pathogenesis of this disease. And we were very early forced into a very dogmatic view: namely that somehow HIV kills the T-cells."





Dr. Sam Mhlongo: Head of the Department of Family Medicine and Primary Health Care at the Medical University of South Africa:

"The case for a link between HIV and AIDS is not proven. I would like the "orthodox" scientists to acknowledge that in Africa there are 29 or 30 diseases which may mimic AIDS, which are related to poverty. But they will not accept that because poverty does not make them big money but HIV makes them money. If we dissidents had only one hundredth of the funds that the orthodox view has, the orthodox view would probably be dead in less than a year."




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Dr. Ralph Moss: Author of The Cancer Industry:

"The paradigm that was laid down for how to milk the cancer problem is basically the same paradigm which is being followed in milking the AIDS problem."





Dr. Stefan Lanka: Virologist, Germany.

"No particle of HIV has ever been obtained pure, free of contaminants; nor has a complete piece of HIV RNA (or the transcribed DNA) ever been proved to exist."



Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford:

"I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all."




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Dr. Donald Abrams: Prof. of Medicine, San Francisco General Hospital:

"I have a large population of (HIV + patients) who have chosen not to take any anti-viral drugs. They've watched all of their friends go on the anti-viral bandwagon and die."





Dr. Peter Duesberg, Professor of Molecular Biology University of Berkely:

"When AIDS patients' bodies finally break down from the effects of these anti-viral drugs, they say, 'Now the virus has become resistant, and the drugs have lost their effectiveness.' What really is happening is the toxicity of the drugs builds up to a point where the patient cannot stand it anymore. And, of course, they say it was the virus -- rather than the entirely inevitable and predictable toxicity of these damned drugs."

Who is Dr. Duesberg?

Dr. Duesberg, born in Germany in 1936, earned his Ph.D. in chemistry at the University of Frankfurt, Germany, and is now a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, in the Department of Molecular and Cell Biology. He is one of the foremost virologists in the world. He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, elected in 1986 for his pioneering work with retroviruses, including the isolation of the first oncogene and his discovery that influenza viruses readily change by recombination because they contain multiple chromosomes. He was the first to map the genetic structure of retroviruses. He is a pioneer in cancer-gene research.

Dr. Duesberg is also the recipient of a seven-year Outstanding Investigator Grant from the National Institutes of Health, charging him with the mission to "venture into new territory" and "ask creative questions."

On the basis of his experience with retroviruses, Dr. Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, and Research in Immunology. He has also been interviewed for numerous newspapers, magazines, and radio and television programs for his perspective on modern virus hunting.

In a letter published in Nature (Vol. 358, July 2, 1992) Dr. Duesberg wrote: "... I am advancing my hypothesis very much at my own expense. Since I challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis, which is entirely unproductive in terms of public health benefits, I have been excommunicated by the retrovirus-AIDS community with non-invitations to meetings, non-citations in the literature and non-renewals of my research grants, which is the highest price an experimental scientist can pay for his convictions."


YOUR KILLING US

In order to develop deadly Drugs killing people by the symptoms of AIDS (American Invented Disease Syndrome) Children, collected forcefully by US Child Agencies are used for tests they regularly do not survive. (click here and read The House that AIDS build)Doctors like Dr. Howard from ICC New York calling those drugs miraculous, the miracle is that after those drugs administered the children start suffering and on the end they die. When the children resist taking the drugs a surgeon will cut their stomach but a tube inside as to insert the deadly drug direct into the intestine. They administer those drugs until the child dies.

AIDS it becomes more and more evident, never was, HIV (Hypothetic Invented Virus) did not causes AIDS. Thy have created a diagnosis just to market their product. AIDS now can be seen as the most horrifying Genocide ever happened in this world, practiced by the United States of America and the United Nations.

OPEN LETTER KOFI ANNAN

Mr. Annan



Latest in 1993 the fact reached the United Nations, that the research about AIDS and HIV where not based on the classical principles of scientific research.(1)

Since 1993 continuously information where provided to the public and to the UN as well, making evident that there is no scientific evidence that HIV causes AIDS, you must know Mr. Annan, those information where based on the research on international recognized scientists.(2)



Continuously since 1993 up to today the UN ignores information from international respected scientists that the present HIV-tests are highly incorrect and absolute unreliable as well. In addition, the tests are interpreted differently in different countries, which mean that a person who is positive in Africa (or Thailand) can be negative when tested in Australia.



Moreover, the United Nation and you ignoring information’s that AZT and is derivates are toxic, mean poison and not a cure. (3)

I am also convinced that you should be well aware about the comment of Professor Duesberg: "When AIDS patients' bodies finally break down from the effects of these anti-viral drugs, they say; 'Now the virus has become resistant, and the drugs have lost their effectiveness.' What really is happening is the toxicity of the drugs builds up to a point where the patient cannot stand it anymore. And, of course, they say it was the virus -- rather than the entirely inevitable and predictable toxicity of these damned drugs."





The United Nations headed by the Secretary General Kofi Annan ignored all those information’s. Up to now the United Nations spends several Billions of US Dollars to promote AIDS and deadly medicine,(4) despite the fact that hundreds scientists worldwide claiming there is no disease like AIDS, that the HIV Virus where never isolated, that there is no any proof that HIV causes AIDS and that AZT and its derivates are deadly poison.



Mr. Annan, the facts:



That the United Nations ignores the protest of Scientists from all over the world



That the United Nations discarding the fact that there is no any scientific proofs that HIV causes AIDS



That the United Nations ignore that HIV Tests are absolute unreliable



That the United Nation promoted treatment with AZT and its derivates ignoring the information that AZT and its derivates are not a cure but a deadly poison(5)



That it is known to the United Nations that the USA (as it was published by New York Post) misusing children for deadly drug tests and publishing falsely that they died on Syndromes of AIDS. (6)



That the United Nations spends up to now a tremendous amount to promote AIDS and medicine with the stigma being deadly and toxic but, as far as we know, not even one US Dollar to analyse and follow up the protest of international recognized Scientists. I think you know Mr. Annan that for an institution like the United Nations it is an absolute obligation to follow up scientific protests, especially if this Institution are involved in the matter.



Mr. Annan, those facts make me afraid and let me belief that the poor people of this world are confronted with an enormous Genocide - and finally after intensive studies of thousands of pages containing information on AIDS, AZT, HIV, and activities of the UN, I do belief that You and the United Nations are involved.



H.J. Lemcke



www.africa-in-reality.org/index.php

Again i do apologize if any of this has offended anyone, but i do personally believe that we are being lied to, and i do believe in all of the above.

Shane

 

Such a crap post. Why did I read the whole thing? It just demonstrates some people's gullibility.

 

^ This

 

I'm not offended, I'm just surprised people can be tricked with such conspiracy theories such as this. To me this seems the same as saying "cancer is a hoax, it's the drugs they give you that kills people" which I'm sure some people might think, because the drugs are harmful. But Cancer kills, so does HIV/AIDS

There are many people that die who have not received "toxic" medical treatments. How do you explain that? How do you explain the people that died in the beginning before such medications were around?

magic johnson has had the virus for 15+ years, he has a ton of money and can afford the newest and best drugs. Which is why he is still alive and relatively healthy.

 

'There are many people that die who have not received "toxic" medical treatments. How do you explain that? '

A. People that have been diagnosed with 'hiv/aids' will indefinitely have other conditions such as tb, gw, hepatitis, some other virus, very poor general health/poverty (africa) the list goes on and on, but thats all they will have! there is no such thing as a 'hiv' pathogenic organism which all viruses are at the basic level. Not one scientist today has been able to (and this is fact) prove or seperate and find the 'hiv' organism (virus), they will of course find other viruses in a person that supposedly has hiv.

The thing is the tests done to determine if you have hiv conflicts with tests for all the above and more, you see your body releases antibodies to fight the bad guys off, and this is what the hiv test looks for, specific antibodies and proteins, the antibodies your body releases if under attack from allot of other viruses conflict with the 'hiv' antibodies which will in turn give a false postitive, so all and all you can have hepatitis get a hiv test done and come back positive, tb and the same the list is very long.

To also note, the FDA and other world health organizations have their own form of 'hiv' tests, and they are not tested on the same level of sensitivity, basically you can get tested for hiv in america and depending on the health org test it will look for specific antibodies/proteins but not always the same as antibodies/proteins in a test done in the UK for example, and Africa is a joke, you would not want to have a bad cold and get a test done! So at the end of the day, Do i have HIV? well it all depends on where you live! no that doesnt make sense does it? but its true... look into it yourself if you dont think so!

What makes the world go round?............exactly, and how much of it do you have to pay up when diagnosed with HIV!

Maybe its an insurance company, or its covered by the gov, but its a vicious circle that still comes out of the tax payers pocket.

 

But this argument doesn't really get you anywhere. Basically, it just turns things into a faith-based dispute. I'm sure there are a lot of people who will believe you simply b/c they hate government and regulatory agencies and think everyone is corrupt...etc. Others will argue with you simply b/c they are brainwashed to believe everything the news or authoritarian figures say.

I am very open to your argument - it makes a lot of sense - but i couldn't side with it one way or the other. What if the real conspiracy is that a conservative, racist, and homophobic entity is spreading this fake conspiracy so more people reject the drug and more people die?

But hey, if the scientific method is really self-correcting, this should all get sorted out eventually.

 

Your way at looking at this very openely is a good way to go about things

Im simply putting out this info to give people more info so they can make up they're own mind what ever that may be...

 

There really is one born every day.

 

I know! Conspiracy theorists really crack me up. I can't figure it out. They come up with these incredibly unlikely theories to explain simple things. Somehow they are simultaniously sceptics and gullible. They latch on to a theory because they're skeptical about what is apparent, but they'll believe anything if it's presented in the form of a conspiracy theory. What the hell is with that? :smilielol5:

 

It's kind of like the "you can't prove a negative" thing. A big philosophy deal. Like, if I said "I don't really exsist, I'm a figment of your imagination. Anything you see relating to me is all part of your delusion. Now, prove me wrong." Facts mean nothing when your dealing with this sort of thinking.

 

Your original source was Zeitgeist.
You already killed all of your credibility.
Fail at argument.

 

Its easier to say that all this is just **** because you dont want to be seperated from the herd and seen as maybe a freak...

For those of you that have not actually read into this and are just fobbing all this off, please dont be ignorant, do a small bit of research, there is too much inconsistency.

You can present an argument to me and i will gladly try and answer any questions for you

 

Do you realize, that in the original version of Zeitgeist - they assert that when the Bible talks about the Son, it's a thinly veiled metaphor for the sun - the words are even so close
not even touching upon the fact that the original languages the Bible was written in, all have very different words for son?

Naturally, after this was a much made fun of and debunked part of the film; it is no longer in their releases.
Make sure you know what you're in for at least - look up the original Zeitgeist.

 

lol ok m8 but im not talking about Zeitgeist here, i know i originally posted this topic in the Zeitgiest forums but this does not have much to do with it

And your right about what you said but you could still re-translate history with different versions of whatever and different 'gods' and so on until the end of time, but religions still have the same purpose in my book, which is to spit and divide nations to conquer and control,...a few examples maybe, lots of countries on the continent of africa received their 'independents' around the 1960s, not long after that these countries broke into civil war (which the locals blame on western orcastrated affairs) then the UN kindly agreed to step in and help the piece in in return for access to the natural resources, India had it bad too until that great man Gandi sorted out the brits, but as soon as they left well, then the fighting began and the creation of Pakistan. Just look at Sri Lanka, its the most recent civil war to have 'ended' wait until the Tamils create a terror group. And even just now, Iran is pretty much at war with itself, western orcastrated??? you tell me! for a country that is completely surrounded by US based soldiers occupying, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan... If a nation can not prosper together it can not rise to any heights and therefore it can not compete against the other world powers.

It happens all over the world throughout time, so what im really getting at is it doesnt really matter what way you want to translate religions in this day and age they serve a good purpose for greedy power hungry men, and for me personally it doesnt really matter if Jesus existed or not, the only thing that really matters is the teaching from him are wonderful and should be practiced.

 

No, I agree with you almost completely about religion.
It's hard to demonize all religion, because every religion has some very beautiful teachings (even Scientology does, but that's not really a religion anyway), but religion has been used as the cause for so many horrors and atrocities, I find it hard to believe that people still defend it as much as they do.
However, conspiracy theories can be pretty bad too, and I tend to compare the leap of faith that many take with their conspiracy theories, to the leap of faith with religion. And I mean, even the mission statement of UNAIDS, sound like a religious creed "We believe... We believe... We believe..."

Firstly, Joseph Sonnabend, one of the sources you used, after working with AIDS and HIV patients, with different medicines, changed his mind. Now he just thinks that the consensus that HIV morphs into AIDS is wrong, and that AIDS will only come if certain cofactors (such as other viruses) hit an HIV patient.
I share his belief.

Most of these quotes are from the 90s when denialism was much bigger, I'm sure there are many that have since left these views.

Many of these quotes contradict one another.
Most of them seem to think that AIDS does not morph into AIDS
Some think they have absolutely no link.
And one guy falsely claims that HIV has never been isolated - and says so it must not exist, which is again, a religious-like leap of faith.



As for the Africa thing, I think I can rationalize that quite well, with one quote:
"The issues are not black-and-white. Drugs that can save your life can also under different circumstances kill you. This is a distinction that denialists do not seem to understand. The fact that drugs are sometimes used badly does not mean that they are always ‘poison’ ” - Sonnabend.

Not to mention - then why was AIDS ever introduced to America? Just to make genocide in Africa, years later, seem more plausable?



Really, I think it's great that you made this thread. Really, I don't think that HIV magically turns into AIDS, and feel what you say may be partially right, that the medicine could be hurting, and they could be causing the AIDS. But I don't believe this is intentional, just rash and ignorant.

And maybe Glaxo-Smith Kline does know - their greed has always seemed limitless in the past. And maybe even certain of the UN members know that they're doing more harm there than good. But there's nothing to prove that. They may just believe that these claims are nuts. Who knows.



But if you are interested in exploring this topic more: I definitely recommend The Constant Gardener, both the book, and the movie which is very well directed and acted =)

 

riiight. All those people are dying only because they think they're dying.

 

I guess my neighbor who died of aids is living with Jim Morrison and Hendrix and is not really dead. Then what is causing aids toxins in the environment? If so then why does'nt everyone have it

 

I'm no virologist... this was certainly an interesting read, but there are problems which mean that I simply can't take any of it seriously.

1) While suggestions as to what HIV AIDS may actually be, they are varied and contradictory. I'm unsure what I'm actually being told. Is it, as some of your sources claim, that AIDS is a real disease but HIV is wrongly attributed as a cause? Is it, as some of your other sourses claim, a totally non-existant deisease? Your sources are presented as counter arguments to an orthodoxy, but they all say such different things that they lose any functionality as a counter argument as they propose a wide range of different hypotheses.

2) The most recent dated source was nine years ago. Molecular biology, immunology, virology and bio-chemistry move forwards at such a rapid rate that there may well have been concrete science to verify the HIV/AIDS link which your sources may simply have been unaware of.

3) The claim that there have been political or financial motivations for "inventing" a link have some resonance. People can be motivated to do some pretty strange things. Equally, these scientists who are refuting the orthodoxy may well have their own various agendas and motivation which lead them to propose their couner-orthodoxy.

Still, it's not the first time that I've read arguments which challenge the percieved nature of HIV/AIDS. I may read up a little more on the arguments you have brought to my attention. Who knows, maybe there is some truth somewhere, but who knows. Not being a virologist, any empirical truth will be impossible for me to find myself.

 

dont believe a word of it--i do believe hiv was engeneered----started as GRID gay related something disease then spread to junkies now it every where--what kind of disease hits gays and junkies first then gets out of control--dont know about africa so i might be full of shit--but in america thats hoe it started

 

sarah...smile