Pop superstar Michael Jackson dead at 50

It isn't me wishing to punish you.
It doesn't bother me that you choose to respond in the manner you have.
That's why I just said: Do your self a favour.
It is just against the rules to go around throwing personal attacks towards people.
Especially allegations I'm a child molestor.
I'm sure nothing will come of it...just, when you found "banned" above your name and wondered what was going on...perhaps it was because you threw around these kind of allegations.

 

See, what you seem to either have missed here, or are choosing to ignore, is that I had (to use your words) moved on...

You didn't like that, remember?

You made it quite clear that you wanted to read more of my opinion on the matter...

Perhaps next time you will choose differently??

 

I just said your post was a a bit lame. It was. You could have moved on...but noooo YOU decided to carry on.
Not even on the matter at hand either, just stupid accusations I am a child molestor.

We shall see. I'm sure you are able to hold a civil conversation with out having to reduce yourself to childishness.

 

You consider people standing up against child abuse to be childish...

how surprising

 

No, not when people are doing that.
For one thing you are not "standing up against child abuse"...you are just accusing two people of things you have no evidence for.
1 (me) just becaue you think it might be big and clever to do so...I dunno though, perhaps this is your standard line when you don't really have any relevant answers to things.
Nice of you to start twisting my words btw.
What next I wonder.

 

Just using lessons I picked up from watching you

 

Yeah sure.
I always twist peoples words and call people child molestors.
Well known for it in fact.

 

hmmm, let's see now...

we start having a conversation in which I see it leading to a place that I don't wish to go to... so I offer up an end to my part in it.

You choose to insult me as a response...

and then you whine and bitch and complain when it is returned to you?

Guess what... I don't in the slightest feel any sympathy to you in any manner....

 

"enjoy your fantasy world odon "
Doesn't really tell me you don't wish to continue something you started.
If you didn't want to continue...then why not just say so?
Calling that post a bit lame, was just a joke...you could have moved on.
YOU decided to come back with:
okay then asshole...
how many children do you abuse in your spare time?

Yeah, that will make me stop responding and "move on"...

Look at your comments I highlighted.
Does hypocrisy feature much in your life?

You - lame.
Me - Child molestor.
Yeah...I can see where I was insulting you.

I don't need and didn't ask for sympathy. Why would I.

 

I decided to go back and see if perhaps I had overstepped the line in this thread.

Lets see... did I insult you?

Yes, I called you an asshole, quite clearly... that is my opinion of you... nothing libel there...

Did I call you a child molester??

No, I said any person who defends a child abuser makes me wonder how many children they have molested... once again, that is my opinion... when I see someone defending a child molester, that is what I wonder... once again, not a matter where libel comes into play..

I also asked you a question... that is not an accusation, that is a query... once again.... not libel

As for me calling micheal jackson a child abuser, that is something that has been published in many news stories over the years, and a person can not be sued for repeating published information to the best of my knowledge, unless it can be proved they knew it was untrue, which I most definitely do NOT...

 

When I quote things and comment on them, I never pick out lines and combine them. That would be twisting a person's words...

What I actually said, was;

You did get part of it right though... there is a lot of "hypocrisy" going on here

 

Like I said, I am not defending a child molestor.
I asked you perfectly reasonable questions...
Nothing that any grown up would then respond with intimations a person is a child abuser and ask how many kids they had molested.
If you think like that, you need your head looking at, chap.

You seriously wanted an answer...good grief.

Nice try. Go find an article that calls him a child abuser.
Most sane published articles say he was accused of being a child abuser.
Don't forget he has never been convicted of being a child abuser.
So, I am not defending a child abuser...
I asked, if he actually was, wouldn't child services have something to say about that.
But, you seemingly found that too much of a challlenge to answer.

 

Big difference isn't there.
Yeah any fresh eyes would see I was twisting your words.
Forgive the sarcasm, but come on...it wasn't twisting your words, was it?
Be honest.

That would be twisting words.

 

You seem to be under the illusion that the legal systems work and that just because a person doesn't get convicted, means they are innocent...

Do you also believe that all people convicted by the courts are guilty?

Where did I say a single word about defending convicted child abusers?? You are the one making that difference here.

as for

It was twisting my words as much as you have accused me of doing to you, and THAT is the point you can't seem to grasp in all of this... If you do it to me, I WILL do it to you...

My head has been looked at chap, and yet here I am still.... Perhaps you should have your's examined???

 

If someone touched my child I'd be after blood. It does strike me as odd that the only thing people seemed to be after was money- there wasn't the rage that I would expect from a parent whose child had been violated. To me it was a game of blackmail- threatening to keep the media- especially tabloid spotlight on MJ as an alleged child molester unless he paid up. I don't know that he did or didn't actually do anything improper with minors but I smell a rat all over the entire accusation/lawsuit act that didn't seem to mind exposing (pardon the pun) a minor to traumatizing media scrutiny and questions when the objective was a big payoff.

The fact that people still believe very strongly that he DID molest children suggests nothing more than the smear campaign worked despite the payoff. It is a lesson though- about how to handle fame. Living in a metaphorical fishbowl means conducting ones personal life far more carefully than Jacko did. Project enough creepy eccentricity and it will be far easier for the puplic at large- willingly led like sheep by the media to creatively fill in the blanks- coloring a person a shade that doesn't necessarily fit (pun half intended! ).

 

Obviously there are grey areas.
The law is not perfect.
Innocent people are found guilty and vice versa.
I'm not that stupid.
But, it seems a little unfair to ultimately convict somebody based on? ...well you never really said.
Was it some article in the newspaper, that claimed he was a child abuser (still waiting for that).
Is it your religious beliefs?
God only knows (pardon the pun).

Nowhere.
The point is you are calling him a child abuser based on nothing more than your opinion.
You said it was reported he was a child abuser.
You even tried to be smart about it too. Failed I'm afraid.
You keep thinking he is a child abuser. I don't really mind.
Wasn't here to change your mind on that.
I answered your questions.
But, you didn't want to answer mine.
Why, I don't know.

I didn't alter the meaning of what you had said...you altered the meaning of what I said. .

 

My view -
The tragic passing of one of the brightest stars of show business, possibly the greatest of the modern day era, set off an emotional reaction that is seldom seen today. An enigmatic creative genius that graced the panoramic skyline with such musical melody, able to reach out and mean so much Worldwide with ground breaking imagery of sound, vision, fashion and dance.
He leaves behind a loss that crosses international boundaries, colours, creeds / races and religions, felt not just by fans but by any honest observer of great artistic innovation.
From the cartoon/ popcorn beginning; - quite aptly with the educational (?) “A.B.C.” Dancing through the charts - “Blaming it on the Boogie” - to the “Thriller” masterpiece of musical video, which set the tone and placed the benchmark that now typified in the images seen on the MTV Channels today.
The ultra on-stage professionalism and perfection that was continually sought; in no short measure by himself, came at a price, and despite the love and adulation of many, there always seemed to be a tormented and tortured soul behind the mask of public performance
Changes are inevitable in life, usually it is along the lines of a structure that allows immaturity to experience, to consideration and then an identification of persona. Becoming an adult at 6 years old, continuing workload and expectancy for decades afterwards, along with other mental and physical contributory factors; particularly throughout ones formative years has to have some lasting effect (doesn’t it?)
Only those who have experienced it can have an understanding of the true consequences of such. “Leave me alone” was a song that could easily be interpreted as a plea from a hurt; if not broken heart – in the only way he felt he could communicate such (?) Perhaps these were some of the reasons that moulded the characteristics of one whose personal nature was seemingly filled with frustration.
Though always trying to channel through love rather than hate, it could be that this innocent vulnerability led him into many positions where greater guidance, advice and mentoring should have been sought and employed. Trust and so-called friendship seems have been used, abused and ending up with a betrayal of confidence that gave rise to a more critical if no cynical view of the World of today – as if it were seen through the eyes and indeed the mind of a child – honest though at times very naive
But some of the music did have a maturity of observation to it. How often do we take a look at the “Man in the mirror”, not just visually but within our heart and soul to examine our conviction of conscience?
Do we consider sufficiently how we can “Heal the World”? Will we heed the lyrics of the “Earth song” and adhere to the philosophy of * Peace + Love - Save the Planet * before it is too late?
Prophetic words that were conveyed, wrapped in melodious communication for all, in the hope that understanding can be achieved and meaningful acts progressed
When one disappears into the Black hole of unknown void, it can’t help but be wondered of what boundless, infinite possibilities that lie within its structure and its substance beyond.
Whatever faith that is ones chosen credo, it is I feel the hope that wherever the pathway leads to, it will be a more serene and pleasant land. ‘A land of ‘make believe’? A ‘Netherland’ for the Peter Pan that lies within the inner soul of all Earths’ children perhaps?
At a time like this, when such an iconic figure passes over, one who has played a part in so many lives, I find that studious reflection enlightens, and “looking through the windows” is never enough to know the true price to be paid for one whose only goal, it seemed (no matter if you are “Black or White”) was to try to make others “Happy” – R.I.P. - M.J.
< Peace + Love ~ Save the Planet >

 

I don't know how you define abuse, but the video with him dangling his baby over the balcony while it kicked and screamed as he smashed its legs off the railing is, to me, abuse, and more then enough to consider him guilty.

 

This is a man where there is nothing to defend. He could sing and dance well. So what? Many people can. He was a sick individual, a racist, a child molester, a liar and a psychopath.

The man was scum and his death is music to my ears. Don't coat the bad parts of the world with the same dog-piss stained blanket of happiness some people on this board do.

 

I'm curious about a couple of things stink.

A year ago, would you have taken and dropped your kid off at MJ's house? Would you have allowed MJ to be alone with your kid?

Were these parents trying to grab some cash? Most likely... that in no way means, he didn't do those things.

If you had his money (back when this all came out), would you pay the people off, all the while knowing full well that the world would take it as a guilty plee?

If it was me, and someone accused me of being a child molester and I was charged... I would spend every single dime of my money PROVING that it didn't happen. There would be no circumstances in which I would say... "Oh, I didn't do this, but here, have some cash anyway"....

You add the fact that he paid people off, settled out of court with cash settlements, to the fact that he quite clearly was more concerned with impressing the media then his own babies health and safety, along with the fact that he built a pedophiles wet dream of a house. Whats the result??

To me, it screams as someone who is a pedophile. I would have snapped his neck with my bare hands if he had ever come near my daughter...

Oh and to be 100% clear... If I am wrong, and he wasn't a pedophile, I would not in the slightest way, feel bad about taking ZERO chances with my daughters safety... I don't care if a scrap of paper floats from the sky with the words '(insert name) fucks little kids'... I wouldn't wonder if it was a miracle, a joke or just someones flight of fancy... I would never let the person named come near my daughter or any other child around me.

Would you?