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Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Razorofoccam, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    You do realise that
    time.
    space.
    gravity.
    The laws.
    We do not know what they are.

    You realise that yes?
    What is mass?
    Why does mass alter the geometry of space.
    What is space , how can it exist except as a point with out mass.
    What is a supersize burger.. the burgers in 1979 were bigger and they were 'normal'

    Everything is relative

    preschool time
     
  2. Driftwood Gypsy

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    awesome.
     
  3. Joey Cid

    Joey Cid Member

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    take a few more tabs... haha. very deep. i get like that after i took acid. while tripping id think really deep about that kinda stuff and after the trip i have a similar mind set for about a week or maybe a little less.

    heres a good one.

    alright so the universe is it infinate... there is no way i just refuse to believe. but if there is an end to the universe... whats at the end.. is it a wall? if it was a wall say you drill a hole in this wall... you have expanded the universe.. alright well if the universe isnt infinate then what shape is it. is the universe a living thing... like as a whole and we are just a small part of this larger being?

    another

    stars... they are forever away. some of them millions of light years away. so that star that you see at night... i may not even exist anymore. if its 100 hundred million light years away it takes 100 million years for that light to reach you.. if it were to burn out 2day you'd see if for another 100 million years.

    one more hmmm

    alright how has life come to earth.. just one day it apeared and evolved over time.. i dont think so. i think an astroid hit the earth and it was a carrier of live. perhaps micro-organisms and they over time evolved and now we exist.. so we are lookin for aliens in space on other planets... but we are the aliens. perhaps we should be looking for our mother planet. eeh?
     
  4. DazedGypsy

    DazedGypsy fire

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    i asked these questions in 9th grade science and got laughed at.
     
  5. clegg

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    read stephen hawkin's "a breif history in time" ... hits all these issues you just pointed out. Deep... very deep.
     
  6. Joey Cid

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    yeah i read a briefer history of time by him. perhaps i should read a brief history of time
     
  7. Driftwood Gypsy

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    the people who laughed at you were brainwashed sheep who already have been taught to think that questioning anything is stupid. you should laugh at them.
     
  8. caliente

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    The universe isn't infinite, but there's no "wall". Space itself came into being when the universe was created, so it's meaningless to ask what's beyond it. That would be like asking where's the beginning of a circle.

    All you've done is remove the question to another location. Where did the life on your asteroid come from? It's easy to create complex organic molecules with chemicals and an energy source. Why couldn't it have happened on earth?
     
  9. Joey Cid

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    party pooper haha. i read the book a briefer history of time in which it tells me all about it i just wantted to get the brains goin around here haha :)
     
  10. Razorofoccam

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    Dude

    Nothing i said was ..'made up'
    Humans science does not know what space time gravity or mass IS.
    DOES NOT KNOW, means exactly that.

    Do you?

    Roo
     
  11. scratcho

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    Occam returns.Must remember to turn on brain cells.Good day.
     
  12. Razorofoccam

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    Dammit scratcho i was hoping for a few fresh rabittis in my trap
     
  13. scratcho

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    hahaha--sorry.
     
  14. themnax

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    he's right of course. what we DO know of course, is generally more useful then the speculations of belief. at least more reliably useful in a mechanical and or tangible physical context. (which IS where we live most of our lives)

    what science does "know" is that some things happen more often then others, and some things happen more often when other things happen first.

    this things it can explore and find out, in endless and diverse detail, often to more decimal places then our simple minds can begin to grasp.

    another way of looking at it of course, the real meat of the matter, is that real science isn't so much about "knowing" as FINDING OUT. and again, doing so in a way that results in being useful. dispite also, always being subject to change, usually in the form of further refinement, but sometimes complete rethinking, as the technology with which to do science becomes more sophisticated. also as new questions are asked which could not have been asked sooner as they arise from answers to previous ones.

    some of us find science easier to love then others. but without it, without the real science of asking questions in disciplined and repeatable ways, we wouldn't have much.

    there are some things science can't give us
    there are some things belief can't give us
    that is each have a place
    and when both are real, there is very little conflict or overlap
     
  15. RajahQar

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    I think it takes a certain understanding of our descriptions of these things to realize that they are simply our best description so far and we don't truly have the whole picture of what's going on in/with them, maybe humans will figure them out completely, maybe not.



    ..."I don't know does that make sense, it was a compelling argument in my head but I might just be jabbering on as I fall asleep"
     
  16. GregTheMagician

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    I will agree with you that yes we do not know what they are, but we do know that they exist and they are the governing physics of the world we inhabit.

    for instance we know that the Universal Gravitational Constant is 6.67x10^-11
    why? we don't know why, but through observation we can determine that the force of gravity is directly related to this number interms of mass and distance.
     
  17. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    This can't be true, because there never was a 'supersize' burger. The supersize option only affected the size of the fries and drink.
     
  18. GregTheMagician

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    nice observation wonka :D
     
  19. erizoe

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    Nice point Greg
    Same to WOnka.

    I'll be watching this thread for my chance to jump in.


    Though for now I will say that I've always considered time as One instance, not a series of moments. One big moment =)
    It works well with Quantumn too (which i despise, PLECK! Who likes "random"ness?) at least as far as i've thought about it.

    Is it true that the phsyical laws that apply to tiny things are different from the laws that apply to giant things? (the lack of the unifying theory). This makes me think twice about "it's all relative" because if different laws apply to different sized things (organisations?) than it's NOT all relative.
     

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