4 aco DMT fumarate

Is this the only form out there, or is there a HCL form?

Is the fumarate form something that can be heated when used or is it something best used at room temperature, like most HCLs as far as I understand?

 

fumarate MIGHT mean you can smoke it
sounds right to me
and "fumar" means "to smoke" en espanol

but i know you can still take the fumarate orally (from reports)
try to do some research if you want to smoke it

 

No fumarate isn't active by smoking, only by orally. I took 4 aco dmt fumarate orally and it worked very good. THe reason its fumarate and not HCL is because fumarate is alot more stable and wont degrade, because if it were to degrade it would degrade into psilocin (4 ho dmt) which would make it illegal, so its basically to cover their asses (the vendors)

 

although there is still probably trace amounts of 4hodmt, in 4acodmt fumarate from the synth

and i've also heard that the fumarate is more stable
don't smoke it
i was just guessing

 

It sounds to me like 4-AcO-DMT has the exact same psychedelic properties as mushrooms only the onset is much quicker and effects last much longer. I wish I had another more reliable source for this chemical. Sadly I only have the one that has the "fumerate" supply.

 

Well from what it sounds like, that's the form everyone would have it available in because it's most stable. I've just only seen one place list it as fumarate, maybe it all is.

 

I've only seen one place list it. Haha. I have seen it on a lot of bulk sites though. But bulk is of no interest to me with this chemical.

 

get the fumarate man. if you want 4acodmt, that is IT.

 

Pork, what are you getting your degree in? I thought you would know that most science names are latin based. It would only be fumi or fum. But that doesn't mean that its meant to be smoked. Some salt forms of different chems can be smoked, others can't. So even if it meant smoke[able] then would that mean that specific chem could be smoked?

If I am lost, please help me!

 

i have a bachelors is biochem and am going for my PhD in the same thing
i know a lot more about biology than chemisty though
and there is probably a lot of stuff i should know that i don't
plus i was high and just taking a guess

i can't be smart all the time

 

you are smart to me all the time! haha

 

^^you mean a smart ass?

 

Is the 4-ACO-DMT fumarate water soluble like the HCL of DPT in that it can be put into a syringe and rectally administered?

Metabolisms... is there any advantage to rectal admin in terms of less dosage or stronger effects, like DPT, or is it metabolized the same orally as rectally?

Maybe the onset is just quicker... but is less required for same effect, and does it work since I guess it has to be water soluble to get into the syringe?

 

i have no idea, but it increases the bioavailability of most things, and it probably would make the onset a bit faster than oral, but that's only speculation.

from what i've read, rectal dosing can often be similar to IM dosing for a lot of chems....[note: SIMILAR]

 

i've heard it's more like nasal admin, b/c both are absorbing thru mucus membranes
and it Might be less dangerous than nasal

usually a plugged dose is closer to a nasal dose as well
less than oral

for ex) 2ce would be
~15-25 mg oral
5-10? mg nasal
maybe 10-15 plugged? 1st try

i've only done oral, and failed nasal attempt once

 

SO FUCKERS!

Is this shit soluble?!!??! For reels, I need to know!!!

Thanks guize

 

its probably soluble in something...

 

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In what?! I need to know for reels doods. This is like super cereal...

 

fumarate is more stable than HCL. it degrades into something illegal as said before...
just extra protection for the supplier. you might want to look up if there is any differance in weight for dosing. but other than that pretty much no differance in effect

 

sorry guys but i've heard rectal admin doesn't increase potency for 4-aco-dmt nearly as much as with the 2c-X chemicals or others

i'm fairly certain that 4-aco-dmt is soluble in water too (& most probably in alcohol too, you should put a little bit of alcohol in your solution anyways to prevent any bacterial nasties from growing)