Do you feel LSD is cheating?

Everything LSD has to offer can be achieved without the use of psychoactives. LSD just makes it "easier" for lack of a better word.

 

yeah, theres nothing wrong with people who just like to trip out. iv done psychadelics just to have fun too. and if there were only people who used acid to reach enlightenment there wouldnt be enough demand for the shit anyway, and the people like us would never actually be able to get it cause drug dealers wouldnt make money.

p.s - havent been on hipforums for like 2 years, but im happy to see theres still some intelligent people here

 

The whole Aha! Thing slayed me man. Lmao. Witty Mon,

And my dealer probably wouldn't take me seriously if i mentioned a damn thing about spiritual intentions with my LSD

 

theres no such thing as cheating. you gotta do your work. everyone has their own ways of going about it, its a different and unique path for everyone, but the proccess of acending and enlightening is really the same for all. in order to engage the world in a wholesome way you gotta get yourself to a level of self healing where you can really be present without reflecting your own baggage on a situation.

its the devil man...lol, that bastard mirror we're all afraid of looking into because it reflects all the things about ourself we would rather deny. lsd has helped me look into that mirror, it has helped me charge up love in my heart so that i have the strength to interact with the world without reacting to harsh reflections from that mirror, and it has helped me cement new thinking and feeling patterns and responces so that alot of the muck i once could see in that mirror no longer appear. traveling also helped, meditation also helped, kundalini yoga also helped, good freinds as well, good books, retreats into solotude, nature....medicine is medicine. if it is effective than it is good medicine. good medicine is a personal thing. its foolish to assume that you know what kind of medicine is good for someone elses sickness, especially someone you'v never met.

its a method, and it worked for me when i needed it to. lucky it found me in my youth...if it didnt id probably be a wal-mart shoppin, mcdonald eatin, factory workin mormon right now. lol

 

Hmm,

LSD has very little to do with enlightenment. Many people make a big fuss about LSD's relation to enlightenment because LSD is largely responsible for eastern religions becoming popular in the western Americanized world. Before the hippies and the acid wave of the 60's, you would be VERY hard pressed to find a single white person hold any reverence to the concept of meditation. This is why LSD has such a relation to eastern concepts, because it was through the hippies and LSD that many previously christian people began to truly understand eastern philosophies. And thus because of this LSD and eastern philosophy has been intertwined ever since and people always make a big deal about LSD's relation to eastern concepts of enlightenment.

But going to LSD for enlightenment is sort of like going to disneyland just to ride the sippy cups. It would be a pretty radical under-usage of your admission price.

If your looking for people to say 'oh yes your epiphany is right, oh yes you figured it out'. Go to the buddhist monasteries, that is the game they play. LSD is something completely different than that. The game surrounding LSD you will not find it written in books, you will not find it explained anywhere. If you can relate anything to LSD, it's mere coincidence. LSD is it's own thing. LSD is radically new. Only LSD is LSD. No amount of meditation will replace LSD, just the same as no amount of LSD will replace meditation. They are completely seperate functions in reality.


Of course. This is all to suppose Enlightenment even exists.

 

It kinda seems like Enlightenment exists like the pH scale, as a way to attempt to measure one's worthiness to exist. Balance is ideal, but often unachievable. In the end, it's just another label for what we seek to achieve in general.

 

thats why u should stick to the negative definitions of enlightenment, as, "the end of suffering." It helps you realize it's not really a super human accomplishment, once u can look past ur own personal drama and relax a tad bit

 

I want to shake your hand sir.

 

Dude I've shaken Ry's hand

:coolgleamA:

 

well said sir

 

onwards, through the void! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH0hf0qU_zQ

and why do you think that lsd popularised such ideas? because lsd does have ALOT to do with enlightenment. lsd wouldn't have popularised those ideas if there were no connection there. they are two paths, to the same place. as to your second paragraph i can't think of any other way that lsd could be used better, other than for seeking enlightenment and wisdom. hell i can hardly even take lsd anymore without everything being swept away and god reaching down and grabbing my hand.

i don't like the word enlightenment though. enlightenment implies an end point, a goal. which means that there is an end to the road. there is no end. only more beginnings. a goal is completely contradictory to everything that the word enlightenment stands for.

alot of the time enlightenment can be like the holy grail. you just aren't going to achieve it. see my 'One Scoop Past Full' thread. i'd say that if life was like a pH scale, enlightenment would be perpendicular to it. we spend time running up and down the scale helplessly searching, when it was right above our heads the whole time.

this is our meaning, our purpose. every human being seeks to return to harmony. whether consciously or subconsciously.

 

where did the buddha say anything? iv not doubt buddhism probably says that. but i dont know about buddha.

i honestly dont know much about buddhism. just basic buddhist philosophies

 

if you really knew eastern religion, especially hinduism, then you would know that they really don't view our western religions and methods as being so bad. really they view mostly anything as a viable path to enlightenment. including christianity, and drugs, especially psychedelics.

the basic idea is that many things will lead to enlightenment, and it is better to let a soul continue on the path they are on than to uproot their beliefs and reality as they know it.

they do think we are materialistically corrupt though, which we are.

 

try here for buddha quotes!


http://www.allgreatquotes.com/buddha_quotes.shtml

http://oaks.nvg.org/buddha-sayings.html

this one is interesting.. "He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes."
Buddha

 

Yeah its crossed my mind that when i'm on lsd it is just wayy to awesome to be real, but then i think fuck it, i get as awesome as possible to feel and be superior.

 

the buddha agrees.

The world, indeed, is like a dream and the treasures of the world are an alluring mirage! Like the apparent distances in a picture, things have no reality in themselves, but they are like heat haze.
Buddha

He is able who thinks he is able.
Buddha

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth: 1.) not going all the way; and 2.) not starting.
Buddha

We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
Buddha

When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky.
Buddha

You cannot travel the path until you have become the path itself.
Buddha :cheers2:

 

Mm,,hmm,,nghnn,,mmmmgnnnn,,,ggnnngghnnMMMM,,NGHNNNNN!!!

AHAAAAA!!!

I just took a righteous shit.

 

Nothing is permanent.
Buddha

 

True.

ME

 

Eh...
Of course LSD diverts you from the "true path", but so does staying stone sober for the point of being sober.
I think LSD has actually helped many people even find the path in the first place