Libertarianism and Anarchism

Discussion in 'Libertarian' started by JonSais, Dec 5, 2008.

  1. JonSais

    JonSais Member

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  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Anarchy believes in no government, libertarians believe in government but a small one
     
  3. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    anarchism is collective

    libertarianism is individualistic

    if no one's gonna tell anyone what to do, which do you think makes more sense, people doing things together and in consensus, or running around on their own, doing whatever they want?
     
  4. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I kind of agree with both.
    Anarchism: i think it can work on a very small scale, but in society, wouldn't it result in chaos, people killing each other?
    Libertarianism: I like this; less government involvement
     
  5. DroneLore

    DroneLore h8rs gon h8, I stay based

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    Anarchy = lack of government

    It is not inherently collectivist. A lot of anarchists are just squeemish so they like to invent some uber-system of socialism without the hierarchy. Capitalism would flourish in an anarchist society.
     
  6. Axis: Bold As Love

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    Eh? Well, there certainly are forms of collectivist anarchism. Collectivist anarchism (Mikhail Bakunin) is one, and then there's communist anarchism and anarcho-syndicalism. But by labelling all anarchists "collectivists" you ignore a whole tradition of anarchism - individualist anarchism. Proudhon, Warren, Tucker, Spooner and anarcho-capitalists like Murray N. Rothbard can hardly be described as "collectivists".

    Oh, and "collectivist" anarchism (what is properly called social anarchism) is a somewhat misleading term.

    http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secA2.html#seca213

    I should also point out that anarchism is not a different theory to libertarianism. In the socialist tradition, libertarianism refers to anarchism and certain types of Marxism e.g. Luxemburgism and council communism (Anton Pannekoek, for example.) In the capitalist tradition, anarchism is one of two types of libertarianism, the other being minarchism (minimal government libertarianism.)
     
  7. CouncilOfDave

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    When you understand that Capitalism is a market system, instead of a governmental system, maybe you'll understand how profoundly different Libertarianism and Anarchism are.

    If you can reconcile the ideas that Libertarianism is a form of government, and Anarchism is a form of no government, you're missing the obvious.
     
  8. chiefburningtoke

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    All definitions of these concepts are a function of socio-economics: Anarchy to the poor teenager means something completely different to what the CEO might be obliged to think.
    The poor teenager thinks its government oppression making him poor, perhaps by letting in immigrants; the CEO thinks a world without government is evil anarchy-he wants and needs the best government he can buy-the market threatens to burn down his arthritic business to the ground (human wants without direction arent easy to market to)
     
  9. Conservationist

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    Not really. They're very similar, other than the leftist bias of most anarchists and the capitalist nature of Libertarianism.
     
  10. IntellectualCurious

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    Anarchy sounds nice, but wouldn't work.
    Libertarianism is more ideal. It allows for plenty of freedom while still protecting people.
     
  11. Omar El Cubano

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    Libertarians are mostly Minarchist (like myself), there are Anarchist Libertarians but they are actually very little.
     

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