Do you feel LSD is cheating?

yeah, but if both lifestyles are just a respective karmic pattern, where is the problem?

(btw sorry for responding to your post twice, I just woke up and forgot I did that)

 

There's never a problem. But people do have choices to make, and consequences to face either way.

I suppose, if a person is reasonably in touch with her intuition, she should know what path is right for her.

Certainly, if a person has any fear or misgivings about the morality of using hallucinogens, he should stay away from them. They aren't at all necessary.

 

About the "life is but a dream" part of our conversation-- the last journal entry of Ludwig Wittgenstein:

"If someone believes that he has flown from America to England in the last few days, then, I believe, he cannot be making a mistake.
And just the same if someone says that he is at this moment sitting at a table and writing.
But even if in such cases I can’t be mistaken, isn’t it possible that I am drugged?”
If I am and if the drug has taken away my consciousness,
then I am not now really talking and thinking. I cannot seriously suppose that I am at this moment dreaming.
Someone who, dreaming, says “I am dreaming", even if he speaks audibly in doing so, is no more right than if he said in his dream “it is raining", while it was in fact raining.
Even if his dream were connected with the noise of the rain."

Another quote of his: "The truth can be spoken only by someone who already lives inside it; not by someone who still lives in untruth and only sometimes reaches out from untruth toward it."

And his most famous: "What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence."

I'm not at all certain that the phrase, "Life is a but a dream" can be said to clearly convey any precise and universal meaning. And, even if it can, it would almost certainly be spoken by someone completely unqualified to make such a statement. Maybe someone woke up and then willfully went back to sleep just to tell all the people in his dream that they were dreaming. Seems silly, though.

Better, I think, just to be aware of the possibility and pass in silence.

 

The way nursery rhymes feel when they are being told, they feel like they hold so many secrets.

 

im finding this post to be one of the most interesting, because it is somthing i can relate to but not really communicate. there is information in the realm of spirit that isnt nessesarily transferable, at least not in the form of information but rather initiation. honestly this is what has trully peaked my interest and my personal exploration of the plants im involved with. one expirience of mine in particular with ayahuasca has left me with a process that is going to take many years to unravel and actualize. there is a real powerful gift to be recieved if we've an open heart and an iron will.... its the art of healing that cant really be taught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nEzlPns3E&feature=related like this song. she could teach you the words, but not how to use them to heal like she does.

perhaps the plants arent nessesary, iv heard of potent practices that involve none, but havent the expiriencial wisdom to speak with.

 

Karma seems faulty and not worth the hassle of taking up and considering seriously. Where did it all start anyway?

Does someone honestly mean to tell me that 8000 or some odd years ago, in some previous life of mine that I am completely unaware of (assuming reincarnation is true), that I was a douche bag, and now an unforgiving "manager of the Souls" is making me live a life over and over again (assuming here that a life is something I wouldn't want) until I learn to enlighten myself, and model myself into what everybody else "thinks" the appropriate human being "should" be "like", even though the majority of these individuals who make the claims against my very nature are far from enlightened or saint-like themselves?

-- Sounds a bit wack and flawed to say the least, lol. Everybody will sin, everybody will make mistakes. I doubt there's any thing mysterious and mystical holding us prisoner to every little thing we "think" we did "wrong", besides ourselves. Where's all the love and forgiveness at?

Even the monks who do believe that their is some sort of karmic order don't waste themselves thinking about it endlessly and contemplating every small action they make and how it "must have affected their Karmic balance". Lmao.

Einstein had many awesome things to say about the universe, heres one:

 

No one owns karma. No one controls Karma. Karma is just a dynamic function of energy. It has no more personification than the earth itself.

Believing in karma is really nothing more than recognizing that, in all faucets of existence, everything goes in cycles and loops, everything, absolutely everything, cycles back around to it's beginning origin. Whats goes up, must come down. What goes out, must loop around at some point. These laws apply to all physical phenomena, karma is simply the notion that these dynamics extend into the very energy of human interaction and intentionality.

And I would agree that you don't want to constantly be going around keeping a tab of 'karmic balance'. Or following do's and don'ts. Or following any word in your mind. But you can pay attention to the state of the energy that you hold in your body, and the type of energy that your sending out to the world around you.

 

Karma just means that it is impossible for you to make a mistake, and impossible for you to be punished. The ego cannot address karma or see it as anything other than a device to be manipulated-- which it certainly is not.

Karma is the way we respond to our innate, natural tendencies with free will, and the interconnectedness of all of our decisions, their causes and effects. It amounts to destiny, but not in any way that relieves us of responsibility of making free choices.

I don't know much about it. I'm learning, or remembering, little by little.

 

i'm sure William pickard couldn't disagree with you more.

 

Why are you sure of that?

 

That all sounds really cool, man. I hope you enjoy it where you're going.

I hope you enjoy getting there. Have you read Lin-ji?

 

I just ran across this quote from the wikipedia article on Alexander Shulgin, and thought it related to this topic.

He would later write that everything he saw and thought "had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid... I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability."

I agree.

 

You seem to be referring to the law of gravity, "What goes up, must come down". What goes out, must loop at some point? Never heard of that one, nor have I ever heard of these two laws having any sort of connection, lol.

Can you provide me an example of something that, (seeing as absolutely everything), cycles back to it's origin? Unless you mean that everything cycles back into complete empty space, once it is destroyed, or wethered away by old age (implying the impermanence of all things). "From dust and back to Dust", as it's said.

Yes I know their is speculation that the universe 'may have' the ability to expand itself to a point where it collapses in on itself and then creates itself all over again, though I don't know how this would apply to Karma whatsoever.

In other words, the mood you're in and how you're interacting with others? lol. Bad Mood = Shit vibes, Bring everybody Down; Good Mood = Every1 Happy Mon.

Then that would be a belief in determinism, "Determinism is the philosophical proposition that every event, including human cognition and behavior, decision and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences."



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Simple Karma definitions,

And that first / last definition is the reason why I made my original post.

 

Well he's in prison for life for allegedly making shitload of acid and he's been trying to get out through appeals. Freepickard.org. He is being punished and would sure like his freedom to be with his wife and children. He's requesting assistance to get out of his punishment.

So yeah, I respectfully submit that William Pickard would disagree with that statement.

 

A prison sentence for life is easily a terrible way to go...He will get out, the acid gods are on his side right? lol

 

I hope obama pardons him. It's a waste of taxpayer money. I was trying to put together a petition...if obama does it, it'll be at the end of his term. That's usually how the prez does it.

What a waste of intellect.

 

Karma isn't just the fact that it happens...it's the means by which it happens. Determinism doesn't sufficiently allow for the free use of will. I really believe we are free to choose against our natures and against all our environmental conditioning. We really can come out of nowhere with some really important decisions. In fact, I believe we sometimes should. I also believe that in the fullness of karma, we will. Furthermore, I don't believe that's a contradiction...though I just can't explain how it might not be.

Karma isn't anything like a scientific theory for the explanation of observed phenomena. Karma is the essential nature and pattern of all existence. Or so says me, anyway.

One thing I've learned about talking to psychonauts...They tend to have their own ideas about the definitions of words like karma and love and divinity.

 

Hence the getting no where in discussion on these forums, Karma is what it is. You don't learn about it and then assign your own bias to it, lol. I guess I'd consider myself somewhat of a "psychonaut", but discussions on topics where the aims and facts are ambiguous is a waste of time and mental energy

Pretty aware of that lol. There's nothing scientific about it. It's based upon a few initial assumptions. [Re]incarnation is real. Possibly that Fate is real, and free Will is limited. That being here has some sort of definite meaning/reason and a purpose, "enlightenment", "breaking a Loop" (people generally love to find and pull meaning and purpose out of everything). That our actions that somebody else would might deem as negative impacts our inner spiritual self and limits our ability to express ourselves in a positive way. And what's Good and Bad is ultimately nothing more than an opinion anyway, so Idk. Honestly all I'm doing is stating my POV, it's cool if you take up the karma stance.

I whole heartedly agree with that, which is partially why I don't follow Karma. Lol

 

standingseated, iv been glad to read your posts lately, you seem to be a lucid person.

 

Wow, thanks, man! That's very nice of you.