Death Penalty

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TheMadcapSyd, Nov 8, 2004.

  1. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    How do you feel about it?
     
  2. seamonster66

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    not this again....I'm against it because of the inherent unreliability and bias of the justice system and the fact that mistakes are made.

    FOr anyone who considers themselves a christian-you have no justification for supporting it.
     
  3. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    I'm all for it. And I think we are too lenient with it. Too many horrific things have happened here in the US, and too few of these sentances have been handed down.
     
  4. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    Against it. With the exception of extremely serious cases like war criminals. The likes of Hitler, Saddam, etc.
    Otherwise no. It kills innocent people. If even one innocent person is killed, it is not worth it.
     
  5. northernlehigh97

    northernlehigh97 Senior Member

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    I'm not for it at all. I think everyone can change. It just takes time, and the right people to do it. There is no forgiveness if you choose the death penalty.
     
  6. nohelmetlaws

    nohelmetlaws Banned

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    I'm all for it, I think we should also include rape in the crimes punishable by death.
     
  7. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Good point, but still, I am for it, for a second conviction of first degree murder. That should weed out the innocents. I will forgive them, but they'll just be dead, so they won't know I did.
    I don't have time for people like Bundy, and Dahmer to change.
    Off em.
     
  8. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I do not support the death penalty. Let's punish an individual who murdered, by murdering them. It's wrong for them, so we justify it by doing the same? Smart.. Just like parents who hit their children, after their child has hit someone.
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

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    I agree with you, yet I am not there yet. I hope to someday say I feel that way, but serial killers, and habitual child molesters are two groups that I have yet to learn to forgive. Maybe someday I will, till then, they best stay clear of me.
     
  10. northernlehigh97

    northernlehigh97 Senior Member

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    If people would take more time to teach young children, they wouldn't turn out to be child molesters, killers, and such. It all starts when your young. So in essence it is society's own fault. How can we blame someone when they're older if no one took the time to teach them, or help them learn (understand this is only to a certain extent). I think someone can never forgive enough. Anyone can change, given the oppertunity. Putting someone in prison and letting them chill, isn't going to help them. They need to be forgiven and taught how to reform.
     
  11. BlackGuardXIII

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    I agree, but it doesn't solve the problem of the grown, habitual offender, that would take untold years of compassionate help to change, and I just don't think now is the time for that. Someday it will be. Now, we need to clean house, sorry serial killers, no offense, but I want you humanely euthanized asap.
     
  12. northernlehigh97

    northernlehigh97 Senior Member

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    Ok God forbid, this would happen, but what if that serial killer you were going to put to death was some close or even a family member? Would you still feel the same?




     
  13. seamonster66

    seamonster66 discount dracula

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    and the faultiness of the justice system, the disparity between legal counsil of the rich and poor, black and white? Do you care if the person is even guilty or not? Whether the accuser is actually telling the truth...

    I hate violent people of all kinds, but I don't support doing something that can't be undone...plus I think it creates an unhealthy society.
     
  14. BlackGuardXIII

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    I'd kill him/her myself, if need be. If it was me, I would want to be done in.
    It is not as punishment, confinement for life is far more punishing. It is not for revenge, it is my pragmatic solution to a very serious problem. Maybe some potential killers would be scared enough to dismiss the urge to do it.
     
  15. seamonster66

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    quote: Maybe some potential killers would be scared enough to dismiss the urge to do it.


    I don't think so, in fact, they may welcome the death penalty in some cases. It is not recognized as acting as a deterrent.


    I am especially against it in cases that are relatively circumstantial.
     
  16. BlackGuardXIII

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    Of course I care if they're guilty, that is why two first degree murder convictions would be required.
    I agree with the race and economic issues totally, and the system would need an overhaul to address those, maybe a ceiling on spending, or a subsidized, free court system.
     
  17. BlackGuardXIII

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    I am too, of course. It is a deterrent to the one executed allright.
    It seems that free food and shelter for life is not a good enough deterrent.
     
  18. seamonster66

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    innocents have been executed, for me that is the final reasoning. Convictions have been overturned.

    As far as execting for rape, no way, do you want to create a situation where someone has consensual sex with someone, and they can cry rape and have the person executed?! Its very hard to prove rape.
     
  19. HuckFinn

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    Do those who argue that "anyone can change" actually believe that life imprisonment is too "harsh" of a sentence for first degree murder? Murder victims get no second chances. Why should their killers?
     
  20. seamonster66

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    I agree with life in prison for first degree murder.


    You are a christian Huck, how do you justify the state violating one of the ten commandments?
     
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