Things that are more important than whether God exists:

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Hoatzin, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. Hoatzin

    Hoatzin Senior Member

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    1) Despite the fact that there is enough food and resources for everyone on the planet to live a modest but comfortable life, substantial numbers of us are dying either of starvation or morbidly obesity.

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  2. sunshine186

    sunshine186 midnight toker

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    I like kittens. I think kittens are more important than discussing whether or not god exists.

    because arguing tends to get you no where
     
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    Finding the place that is free of Vandals :D
     
  4. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    That should be easy. They haven't been around for centuries.
     
  5. Deisceabal

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    Freedom.
     
  6. Hoatzin

    Hoatzin Senior Member

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    Honestly, I don't understand why it's important. Unless one belongs to a faith that requires one to convert others (which most debating Christians will fervently deny they are doing), I don't see any real reason to talk about it at all.
     
  7. Didymus Doppelgänger

    Didymus Doppelgänger Misfit Lover

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    Theres too many damn people on this planet. We need to find a way to lower the population.
    We also need to find a way to get rid of tv/radio or make the media less apathetic (damn you, censorship!).
     
  8. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    obese people dying are not more important than whether god exists or not. It's their own fault they're so fat they're dying from it. Fuck em
     
  9. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    There's no more reason to talk about the existance of God than there is to talk about anything else. It's indulgent to do so, but it's fun to indulge sometimes.

    I guess one thing that is more important to talk about is why there exists such a thing as war in a supposedly advanced society such as ours.
     
  10. Deisceabal

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    Obese people dying are irrelevant, you're right. Let them eat their way six feet under the ground for all I care.
     
  11. Hoatzin

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    Yeah, that's my point: there's no more reason, and if you think about it, there are a lot of ostensibly solvable problems in the immediate present of the physical realm that the many intelligent people who devote their lives to proving/disproving/denouncing/preaching the existence of God could maybe waste their time on fixing instead.
     
  12. Didymus Doppelgänger

    Didymus Doppelgänger Misfit Lover

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    I think the relevance of it is that they are eating surpluses food that could of been given to the hungry.
     
  13. Are these things more important? What if everyone knew absolutely that God exists -- then maybe we'd be doing more to help each other in the first place!

    But yeah, you've got a good point.
     
  14. Hoatzin

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    My point was that, despite there (probably) being enough food for everyone to live comfortably and healthily, the world contains people who have far more and far less than their share, and that neither state is more desirable. This is as oppose to, say, some people having more than their share of money, because having lots of money doesn't have a direct physical negative impact on the person. If having too much food was desirable, I could understand it, but even the most slack-witted of Westerners seem to at least be coming around to the idea that eating until your body starts to fuck up isn't a good thing. What we need now is for smart people to find a way to divvy up the food more equally without anyone growing dependent on aid or feeling like they're being robbed. While that may be as hard on the surface of it as proving or disproving the existence of God, it does have a clear and measurable remit and goal, so if nothing else we can at least be able to say when our efforts have failed and try something else.
     
  15. White_Horse_Mescalito

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  16. Didymus Doppelgänger

    Didymus Doppelgänger Misfit Lover

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    Why would knowing god existed make us want to help each other?
    Receiving help from people who do it just to please god is useless because you are receiving fake help. The person's heart isn't into it.
    And maybe even if a god did exist, what makes you think he isn't a dick?
     
  17. White_Horse_Mescalito

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  18. Well, dependent upon what you conceive God to be... If you think it's Oneness, then it is self-serving to help others. I think this is true -- those who help others have more lasting bliss than those who harm others. Maybe if you help others it will even come back to help you in more immediate, "physical" ways as well.

    How could you be completely understanding of everyone and be a dick? I guess because I assume that mean people are stupid, because they lack understanding.
     
  19. Hoatzin

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    If everyone had enough food to eat, God might never have been conceived.

    I think that depends heavily on context. I can conceive of situations where generosity might not benefit anyone.
     
  20. I doubt it. Questions of how the universe came to be are an inevitability, I think.
     
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