Kicking global wealth out of the driving seat.

Well thank you, I don't feel old, just a figure of speech, "old" is relative.

What's your dad's stance on the issue?

 

he is a libertarian. he used to be a republican until my brother and i changed his views on politics. he now has very similar views as me

 

I agree completely. The problem is that big government is bad government. I would like to see this country get back to it's founding ideals. We became the greatest biggest country, where the people have the greatest liberties on those ideals, and now we are moving away from though liberties.

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.-Thomas Jefferson

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Read: Government is an enemy of the people.


Now, big business is a problem as well. I hate to see a CEO making $46 Million a year while employees are making $7/hour. The idea by the right that giving a decent wage doesn't sit right with me. But the government is not supposed to fix that. I'm not 100% sure how to fix this, but socialism doesn't work. Hard work is important, and why work hard if the government is going to take away what you've earned if you have worked hard and gained and will give you stuff if you don't want to work hard. That is what happens in socialist countries, and that is why most big companies are American, because we work hard. Walgreens was founded by a pharmacist from Chicago in 1906, or something, and from one store, he worked hard and built a company that now has thousands. Same with Walmart, McDonald's Coca-Cola, Apple and the rest. One guy or group worked their asses off and started up a business.



I would hate to work making next to nothing and not have insurance and the rest, but you know what? Don't mess with my insurance in the mean time. Let's fix the system, not tear it down and start from scratch. I would not mind having a little higher taxes so people can be secure. But Obama's system is going to make the biggest mess. And people that have busted ass jobs need to move up the ladder for their sake, and the sake of their children.


Speaking of children, people with busted ass jobs need to stop fucking. Or use a condom. Or a pill or something.
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Damn, oops, I replied to the OP, then just noticed that y'all were so far off topic.

 

socialism means general stupidity. the government feels the need to handfeed me because im to stupid to do something on my own. social security is a prime example. its unnecessary and going bankrupt (which is good). the government thinks that im too stupid to save money on my own so it creates this program which cant be funded because it cant save money... hmm... im pretty sure i can do a better job with my money than the government can.

 

Amen, brother

 

You can do better with your own money, you can do better with your health care decisions, and social security keeps the poor poor. The poor don't need a hand out, they need a hand up.

You know what I think is funny? If we make some good sound arguments, we aren't gonna see anyone arguing the other side. I'd be willing to bet.

 

Libertarian is a good thing, something I'm trying to get my arms around, now that I've come to the conclusion intervention can't be a good thing, since it generally benefits those who need it least, namely the rich who pay off the politicians, who set the policies to their advantage at our expense.

However, that was not my question. I'm trying to make the distinction between voting based on one's ideology versus a more pragmatic approach, my suggestion being that folks become more pragmatic as they get older. So for example, I may not vote for the candidate that best suits my ideology if this other candidate is much more electable, and his rival is also very popular, but would be a disaster if he won.

 

Very wise my friend. I would like to see a libertarian president. I would like to see legalized marijuana and maybe other drugs, but with support for those that get in trouble.

Voting on ideology vs pragmatism. Yeah. I would vote for McCain instead of Paul, because McCain has a better chance of winning. And I wouldn't want a wasted vote. And Obama was also popular like you said, and his winning is a disaster. So yes, pragmatism would be smart.

 

i think its how strong u believe in ur ideology. to me a wasted vote is any vote that goes t to someone u dont want. so to me a vote for mccain or obama is the same since i didnt want either of them to be elected.

 

so i guess nobody wants to post in any of these threads anymore?

 

nooooooooooo....

 

o... ok

 

Shadow2145, Mellow Yellow, I agree very much with y'all. And Shadow, funny that there have been no posts arguing against us. OP?? Are you there?? Calling Balbus. Nope, guess they can't argue against the truth.

 

ive been waiting for something from somebody but i guess it just isnt coming. if nobody posts against me im probably done posting in this thread. its nice to have people on my side but it doesnt make much of an argumentative thread unless u just wish to share ideas. it may go off topic though should we do that.

 

I agree. I like to have a bit of an argument. If someone argues against me, maybe I can learn something, or at least be entertained. I've posted alot of stuff about what Obama is doing to America and how much I hate him, but no one seems to want to contradict me.

 

right because what he is doing violates the constitution and does not help the american people. i predicted things like this would happen before the election. now all my friends who voted for him are suddenly wishing they didnt. the only change that he is bringing is the eventual incresed inflation. the government cant print out trillions of dollars without inflating prices. you can look at history to find that out. one specific example is is post-WWI Germany.

 

Ugh, well, we really don't want Balbus stumping around now do we? He seems to be the only one who really likes to argue.

You might not get too may arguments FOR Obama, but the reasons people do not like him might differ.

I knew he was going to be elected months before the elections. Was positive about it.
Because
1. The mainstream media had already turned their backs on everyone else for the most part except him and McCain.
2. Hillary is a menopausal female and too much of a loose cannon.
3. Obama's election would look good to the rest of the world. See how open minded we are? Ain't it grand that we are so open minded that we can elect a "black man" for pres?
4. The election eventually came down to "Intellectuals" versus "red neck good old boys (and girls)", and for a minute I was a bit worried that the redneck idiots would prevail, but apparently the majority of voters were a bit above soap opera mentality.

Now, Obama, being "dark", has to do a lot of super ass kissing in order to keep his "court" from mutinying. So, he be easy to control.

I am certain that he is smart enough to see what really is going on in the world, but his hands are pretty tied, because there IS an agenda, and his being "dark" makes it where he has to follow the agenda and not make too many waves. Hey, they pay him A LOT to do what he is told...

BUT, I do see the Obamas as still being a cut above, simply because even tho we are a lot in disagreement with what he "does", his SELF shows thru every now and again and it JABS the establishment just a little. Small things like insulting the police. Or growing an ORGANIC garden, or saying he smoked pot AND inhaled because that was the whole POINT to smoking it. Those things don't just go away. And they show that he actually HAS some humanness about him and is not totally a puppet. So, I guess be glad for the small things? It's better than BUSH, who I'm a-doubtin' is even human at all. And way better than McCain/Palin which would have been a redneck nightmare.

 

Far as "kicking global wealth out of the drivers seat" goes, never gonna happen as long as it takes all that money to run for pres. When the day comes that it is ILLEGAL for candidates to take donations from special interests for their campaigns, the day when ANYONE can run for president and have a chance like they always told us when we were kids, then that might happen, but not until.

 

Obama's better than the alternative, which is why I voted for him, and I still don't regret it. Granted he's part of the country club elite, Harvard educated, politically connected, wealthy, he wouldn't be where he was if he wasn't all that. And that he doesn't deny he inhaled says volumes about his character, but he can only do so much with a congress full of obstructionists.

My point all along. A system that is run by the rich for the rich will never change, until the rich (who have all the power) realize that an egalitarian system (which requires them to relinquish some of their power) is in everyone's best interest, including theirs. Happiness can't be measured by a balance sheet, when you need body guards and alarm systems to protect yourself from all the people you've screwed over, what kind of a life is that?