National Socialism, skin heads, Obama?

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by ThePoetSappho, Jun 27, 2009.

  1. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I've heard people call Obama a socialist.
    A friend of mine who happens to be a skinhead considers himself a "National Socialist".
    Whats the diff? What's the same?
    I've been googling the hell out of this but it seems there's so many different definitions.
     
  2. AfricaUnite

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    Obama is no more a socialist than G.B #2. The media has called him that as a scare tactic for Americans theres not much truth behind it.

    National Socialism is a term that is silly to me. To me it seems fanatical. Socialism should be helping everyone, not just one particular nation or race (which is what national socialism wants)
     
  3. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    so socialism is helping people, like focusing on people?
     
  4. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Ideology

    National Socialism economically has some aspects of socialism, but they're 2 very different things. National Socialism can be more regarded as socialism for the state, that one the state should be one ethnically single state, and that everything should be for the betterment of the state and country. The nazis while somewhat socialistic also had broad support among the middle and business owning classes for their militant opposition to communism.
     
  5. AfricaUnite

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    Socialism should promote programs and institutions that help people. Thats what I meant by helping.
     
  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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  7. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    so for the basic definition of the word socialism; "social" meaning concerns of the people? I just figure these different groups all use the word socialism and want to know how they're the same and different. because when i asked my skinhead friend he had no idea.
     
  8. Sequelserver

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    "National socialism" has a special meaning, it refers to Nazis (the German pronunciation of Nationalsozialismus led to the shortening "Nazi").

    Socialism encompasses a variety of viewpoints and issues, but the common thread is that they want a more equal distribution of the nation's wealth: ie. they want to take it from the productive people, and give it to the non-productive.

    Obama is most definitely a socialist. He is proposing new taxes on the most productive people in order to pay for healthcare for people who are too lazy or stupid to get a job and get private coverage.
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Obama could be called either a socialist or a fascist. As far as I am concerned, there is not much difference between the two. Fascists will often use socialism to consolidate power and wealth by the state (Hitler being a perfect example of this). I have always said that socialism is really just a form of monopoly capitalism. It represents the transfer of wealth from the people to the state, and ultimately the ones in control of the state.

    When you see the government taking over the private sector and capping the pay for CEO's, that's socialism. The so-called nationalization of banks and companies doesn't necessarily mean the government controls them now, because the government itself is controlled by private international banking interests. The same people that controlled the corporations prior to nationalization (GM for instance) still control them now. It's just that now they are using the facade of government, which they, too, control, in order to consolidate while the taxpayer is left holding the bag.
     
  10. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I wouldn't know if he is in fact a socialist. All I know is that he's ******. :rolleyes:
     
  11. JackFlash

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    I wouldn't rely on a skinhead for an accurate definition of anything.

    As far as Obama being a fascist, that's just plain stinky bullshit.
     
  12. Sadhu

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    The differences between socialism and fascism are vast, at least in theory. Reality, now thats a different story.

    People say Obama is a socialist because the liberal, or democratic way of thinking, includes some socialist aspects, such as progressive taxing, universal healthcare, ect.

    Conservatives believe those things are damaging to a nation.

    National socialism refers directly to nazism.
     
  13. JackFlash

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    And that's all you will ever know if you don't get back to the 5th grade, stay in school and graduate. You should also as your mommy to teach you some manners.
     
  14. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    i think the 'national' in national socialism is a direct refutation of the internationalism of true socialism [workers over borders]

    the 'socialism' refers to the idea of a planned economy, but is a bit of a twist on the real goals of socialism, seemingly more based on stalin than marx [slave labor vs the dictatorship of the proletariat]

    the nazis were great at abusing terms for their own ends, which should resonate with any student of recent american history
     
  15. 42snihctih42

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    well put
     
  16. 42snihctih42

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    so was allendes chile and sandinista nicaragua fascits? seems like the general population were less repressed under 'socialism' then they were under capitalist military dictators.
     
  17. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    It was just a joke, hence the :rolleyes: face. Albeit one of poor taste. At the time I wrote that Obama was receiving a lot of flak from a lot of people, especially about his birthplace. A lot of people were insinuating that he was bound to fail. I would never use that word to refer to anyone in a serious manner. I was insinuating that's how those who were so against him perceived him.
     
  18. 42snihctih42

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    i guess that means your not a total d-bag. anyways i still dont think your joke was funny, sarcasm doesnt work in writing...sorry.
     
  19. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    On looking back I don't find it very funny either. I guess that does make me a d-bag. On that occasion no, my sarcasm didn't translate very well.
     
  20. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    ^^^ when you wrote that i thought you were a d-bag [d-word?] too

    now i know you, and get that it was a joke

    moral?

    the internets are a pain in the ass
     

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