Sovereign Citizens

What do you know about them or the subject in general?

What are your thoughts?

 

You mean as in sovereign from the control of government and bureaucracy?

 

What do you want to know?

 

Yes I do

More specifically the Sovereign citizens movement and redemption movement

"The redemption theory is an American conspiracy theory created by Roger Elvick and marketed as a tax evasion and fraud scheme. The theory claims that when the United States government abandoned the gold standard in 1933, it pledged its citizens as collateral so it could borrow money."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption_movement

 

Everything that the mainstream holds back

 

It's not what the mainstream holds back, it's what the mainstream ignores. You have to find the information for yourself, not expect it to be spoonfed to you. That's what's wrong with people these days - all babies - no adventure or curiosity. Don't be one of them. Starting this thread was a good start =P

 

They do not ignore it

It is acknowledged and buried beneath a tale of lies

"The indictment against Thomas and Herrington alleges that, according to Redemption Theory as espoused by Thomas, when the United States went off the gold standard in 1933, the United States began to be funded with debt instruments secured with the energy and labors of current and future citizens, and each citizen’s birth certificate became the collateral for U.S. currency. Supposedly, the value of a citizen’s birth certificate is $1,000,000, and that amount is held in a top-secret government account called the Strawman."

That is not being ignored

That is being hidden in plain sight and made a mockery of to discredit

I just do not know what is true and what is not

 

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ohn/news/11September2006.html

I know how people want official sources for things

United States Department of Justice openly published the details of the case to make the man out to be a lying crook when he most likely knew things he should not have

 

Exactly what is that quote from?

 

US Department of Justice

I posted it in post 8 of this thread

 

What is the mainstream saying about Sovereign Citizens?

I am not sure what you are looking for.

Do you want "How to Cross Boarders into other countries without any record of you being there."

Or the Set up a trust and then a holding company to manage the trust.

Give me something to work with.

 

Yeah, US citizens are collateral on the stock market via their social security number and birth certificates. This is true.

 

Oh ok. It's late =P

I don't know if the government exactly counts as the mainstream... maybe in the 1800s, but really, how much focus is their on politics these days?
Hell, even in these very very controversial and cloudy times, the news ran on about Jacko's death for 63 days without one reporter taking a second to inhale.

 

That is just the problem

"As the creator of the "Redemption movement," a bizarre fusion of conspiracy theories and financial chicanery, Roger Elvick claims he has liberated his "straw man," a secret doppelganger created by the U.S. government to capture the economic value of U.S. citizens who, according to the Redemption doctrine, have unknowingly been sold into slavery to a Jewish-run international banking cabal."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=544

 

The first would be nice but I do not have the nerve to attempt that

The second I have under control

The mainstream says sovereign citizens movement was founded by nazi supporters who are essentially looney

I do not buy that

 

That is fukkd!

 

Just when are these Jews gonna cash in - and why don't they let the Arabs in on it so they chill out a bit?

 

What about those who denounce their citizenship and along with it the the responsibilities that come with that citizenship?

 

The Arabs are already in on it. Certainly the Osamas, who have always been darlings of the Bush family.

 

This idea the Jews run everything is a huge misconception and actually is designed to discredit what is legitimate and proven. Yes, many of the central bankers ARE Jewish. But many of them are not. If you understand history you realize WHY, traditionally, Jews have been the moneylenders, and it's because, if you go back a couple hundred years, Christians were forbidden by law, by the Vatican, to engage in usury. Jews are merely used as scapegoats by the REAL powers that be.