Jesus wasn't so "great" as you guys make him out to be.

Ok, so I've been doing some more research about this so called "Savior" Jesus Christ that you all seem to love so much- and all I have to say is: Why do you guys glorify this man the way you do?

Here's some problems I have with Jesus' Word.


1. If you read Matthew 10:34- He clearly states in this verse that he has a purpose of breaking up families and having them fight with each other.

Matthew 10:34-36

"Do Not Suppose that I have come to Bring Peace to the Earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his Father, a daugher against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A Man's enemies will be the members of his own household."

Luke 12:51-52

"Do You think I came to bring peace to the Earth? No, I tell you, but division. From Now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three."


So, let's not stop there, let's keep going. He also treated his own Mother with contempt in Matthew 12:46-50. Read this verse:

"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."
He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."



Nice Way to "Honor thy Mother and Father", Mr. Christ.


Oh yeah, and this guy was also using violence to get his points across long before anybody else ever did. In John 2:13-19

"When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!

His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."

Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."


Way to go Jesus! Now I know how Adolph Hitler turned out the way he did!

If you ask me, this guy did nothing but condemn people and had absolutely no respect for other people's beliefs or values. This guy was just a stubborn narcisstic egomaniac. It was almost like "Either you see things my way- or you will rot in eternal Hellfire" Sorry, Jesus, you fail, big time.

 

If the bible is as flawed and as innaccurate as you, as an atheist, probably think, then why would you use the bible to back up your argument? Basically, the backbone of your post has just collapsed.

 

Well first off- I did believe in the Bible at one time- I did take it seriously and thought nothing else could be true. Then I started to read it more and more- and it seemed like the more I read it- the more I was just disgusted by it. Christians look at this book and think that God and Jesus were "perfect" and "good" and the truth is- they really weren't. It seems like all God and Jesus did in the Bible was commit violence and try to use "scare tactics" and "terror" to try and get their point across. If they really were "peaceful" and "loving" as they claim to be- I don't think they'd be committing these kinds of acts.

I guess you can call me a little agnostic. Because I believe that if there truly is a "God"- which there could be. There's no way in Hell that it would be this "Father" that's in the Bible. He was just a cruel, cold-hearted lunatic. If Christ is our savior and if God is truly our Creator- I truly would believe that the Human Race would be screwed beyond all belief.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm an atheist, but I honestly think that you're missing the point of the passages you quotes.

The first couple you've simply taken out of context...

This one though:

"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."
He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

He doesn't disrespect his mother, he simply shows that all humans are brothers. He sets a strong example by not diverting his attention to his biological family, proving that he follows his teachings. A servant of the Lord is his sibling... it's a rather obvious quote, I don't really see how the hell you managed to misrepresent it so strongly.


This one:

"When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!

First of all, saying that Jesus was the first to promote violence is simply stupid. Second of all, saying that Jesus used violence is stupid. He was proving a point... he didn't actually beat anyone, he simply scared them away with the whip because they were sinning. It's a pretty good lesson, humans learn better out of fear, especially dumb ones. He wasn't using violence, it's not like he beat them senseless.



This one:

Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

You're simply not getting it. The temple may be a place of worship, but it is only a material representation of faith. The true faith lies within a belief in Jesus, or religion, or God, or whatever. The destruction of the temple is only symbolic of the challenge of faith while the restoration is a sign of a fortification of faith.

You really seem to misunderstand the most simple writings of the Bible worse than the fundamental Bible thumping Christians that you must hate. This actually makes you worse than them. Congratulations. you fail at life.

 

Be a little more specific with "fail at life" there buddy. That's kind of vague since you really give no reason. Just because I have some different interpretations and opinions of something doesnt mean I 'fail at life"- so lets get that straight. Everyones got opinions- just because they're different from your own doesn't mean they "fail at life".

I've tried looking into religions and have tried to keep an open mind about them and they all pretty much seem ridiculous if you ask me. The only religion I've seen and have been impressed by is Buddism. Thats because it seems like all of the other religions have some kind of history with violent conflicts between people who disagree with this or that. However, Buddhism has kept its reputation- it's about divine love and a purpose of having a spirituality capable of shaping human actions on a large scale. Pacifism and non-violence have significanly shaped this religion. I also respect that they use medidation to try and reach a "spiritual nirvana". Also- Buddists have some pretty good moral standards for themsevles such as they don't drink or use any intoxicants, they don't act in an unchaste manner, they're open-minded, they speak the truth- they are told to not speak falsely about anyone or anything. It's about a state of single-minded concentration and wisdom. Now, I myself am not a "practicing buddhist"- but I do agree with some of its principles and standards and think that these standards could be used to make you a better overall person without feeling guilty about "going to Hell and burning for the rest of your life" or "being condemned or damned" for not doing things a certain way.

 

Your interpretations are wrong, it's as simple as that.

If you're gonna go against religion, at least have the decency to know your enemy well enough instead of simply lashing out.

You are very ignorant about Christianity, and your dumb uneducated attacks show it.

You give atheists a bad name.

Your view of Buddhism is also very idealized. Which sect of Buddhism are you talking about?

 

Geesh... a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Jesus is talking abut the judgment in all those verses. He's talking about when he comes back as judge. At the seventh trump.

John 5:27 Because he is the Son of man - He is appointed to judge mankind because he was made man.

After God destroyed the known world with a flood, he repented. Yep, God repented to us. And he gave us the rainbow as a symbol to us his solemn promise that he would never wipe us all out again, but to put in to place a judgment of mans heart.

Next came Jesus. Who had purpose upon birth.

You see. Jesus didn't just come to earth to clean us of our sins through his death. He came to earth to live as man so he (God) may better judge man. This is God's beautiful remedy for his need to be fair.

All this stuff is in there. Just need to ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE.

Jus Sayin.... YMMV


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By the way.... Someone asked earler for biblical proof that Satan is still in Heaven and won't be released until the sixth trump.......

As you can plainly see. He isn't physically on earth until the point in which he is given a short reign over the earth.

He length? We can't be sure. But Jesus shortened the tribulations.

This is part of one of his answers.

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who's "you guys"

 

Dude... don't be a jerk.

 

Dude... I'll give you 5$ for a blowjob.

 

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*got the blowjob...

totally worth $5.

 

Haha.

Silly goose...

 

Why do Atheists spend so much time and energy attacking and ridiculing something they claim doesn't exist?

 

So much time and energy?
Like the 3 minutes it took the OP to do this thread?

 

With your own words you explained the greatness of the buddhism... Why not try to incorporate what it's trying to say in your own life? no need to be labeled as anything... Don't generalize, don't judge, KEEP AN OPEN MIND. People always trash christianity as a whole because of what the bible says in its literal sense. You're doing the exact same thing. Also, I don't understand why people need any religion to tell them to be open minded, not to fight, to respect others.

These same people, (especially those on this site, that are all for poetry and "deep thinking") can come up with some wild and deep interpretations of what poetry, books, etc. mean in their figurative sense, yet when it comes to tha bible, those same people are quick to trash it because of how some (not all) crazy christians decided they wanted to interpret it.

The bible can be interpreted in its literal sense for some (which I highly disagree with), but there's also hundreds of great, great stories in the bible, that if read in a peaceful state of mind, can actually teach you a few good things about morality and ethics.



how many times do extremist christians come up with retarded ways to blast rock music, and so many writings out there, cause they take things out of context to fit their own twisted ways of leading their lives? well so many athiests do the same thing with the bible. I don't think it's fair to do that only because in the past some people tried to feed you some garbage about how you're supposed to lead your life following whatever rules their fucked up religion decided to put on you.

There are so many stories on how great jesus was, for the things he did, for the biggest sacrifice, how he died for us... regardless of whether or not it's true, don't you think it's in bad taste to grab a few lines out of the bible, out of context, and debunk anything good that can come out of the idea of jesus?

You don't believe in organized religion, fine.. . I don't either. not one. but come on, have some common decency for one of the most important, mysterious books out there...

yeah, there are a thousand things that don't make sense, that can be interpreted in so many different ways with the bible, doesn't mean you should hate everything about it though.


just my opinion.

 

Brilliant points you have made, sir! And all the other folks here, as well. Frankly, I didn't expect to find so many positive comments on the Bible here, especially from atheist folks.

Well, you rise some interesting questions and I think I've found the answers.

Good question of a reasonable man! Yes, why do we need the Bible at all??? ... The Bible is the only book to give me the reasonable answer. It explains about SIN, an inherent inclination to disobey God and his laws. This SIN also results in a behavior, which our common sense judges as "unbecoming" or even "bad" -- if only we choose to come back to our senses. But, as the conscience of everyone is different, depending on his background, we humans need a good set of standards to check against. In this sense the "commandments" (or principles) of the Bible ARE such good standards. Most agree about the "goodness" of the commandments, yet most fail to live up to them. The Bible says, this is the evidence of this sin.

You know, this is why many admit, that Jesus must have been ... a real person! His influence on humankind is but too much for someone who just didn't exist...

... Napoleon is reported to have said: "Jesus Christ has influenced and commanded his subjects without his visible bodily presence".

Another quotation: “All the armies that ever marched, and all the navies that ever were built, and all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully.”

Now those teachings are so powerful, that there'd be no need to invent some "Jesus" to convey this wisdom. It would be OK to give them from Paul or Matthew or whoever there was.

And another point stands as strong. Those apostles were ready to die for Jesus (and actually died a martyr death, except for John). Did they die for a fake Messiah they created themselves? Let the skeptics reread the Christian Scriptures and decide for themselves... I just know, that they teach about real self-sacrificing love, wisdom and respect, love for wife and husband, faithfulness. It all works in real life! Liars couldn't have written these things.