Theories, with evidence

Keep in mind these are all just theories. I do not necessarily believe them all myself, I'm simplying discussing them and providing as much evidence as I can. Also keep in mind the evidence is sometimes as trivial and theoretical as the event or 'theory' itself.

I'll let you choose one to start with:

- Lee Harvey Oswald and the shooting of JFK

- Montauk Point, New York

- New World Order

- Freemasons

- SARS

- 9/11

 

Aaron Russo has awesome vids on 911 and irs

 

Yes, they are theories. But can no longer be considered that when cold hard evidence proves the action taken incorrect. 9/11 was a perfect example. Pentagon.

Things are becoming not conspiracies, now they are becoming conspiracy facts.

Evidence overrides no evidence IMO. Too many facts to be able to turn the cheek away from the reality of it.

 

so you're saying 9/11 was an inside job?

 

That is exactly what i was implying. Was the same tactic hitler used by blaming the jews for burning down the german Riechstag or how ya spell it. We AT LEAST new it was gonna happen. Blame someone to start a war, make profit, and control the fucking globe. These elites are messed up.


I always look at evidence, check sources over and over. IMO we are gonna be fucked by martial law. It happened in my little home town because of a storm. Gov. done it in Louisiana as well as NY etc.

 

:cheers2:

I have some good evidence supporting this and those other 'theories' I mentioned. I have to go babysit my niece now but I'll be back to share it later.

 

Cool. I understand. I have a lil girl myself. But yeah, gonna add ya as a contact..ok?:cheers2::cheers2:

 

Thanks Lunar', I'll take the time to go through a few of those on Sunday.
I apologise because my last post took some time to compose..so I don't have much time left today.
I'd rather take my time to respond than rush something off in ten minutes.

Cheerio, sir.

 

there's pretty good evidence supporting Bohemian Grove and the weird shit that goes on there. hell even Nixon was quoted saying it was the most faggy godamned thing he could imagine and that he wouldn't shake hands with anybody from San Fransisco. and then there's that video confirming the existence of it.

 

You mean "I can't log out"?

 

I can tell you right off the bat that Montauk is bullshit. Not the locaton or the Air Force base (Camp Hero) there, but the theories surrounding it.

 

There is supporting evidence for just about every popular "conspiracy theory." It's just that some people will take what's proven and spin it to discredit the legitimate facts. That's really the whole purpose of the conspiracy culture; to discredit and make people who talk about real issues look nuts. That's why there has been such an effort to incorporate the New Age into it, along with UFO's, reptilians, time travel, and other nonsense. It makes all the other information look ridiculous.

 

cool with me.

 

9/11

Most people accepted the 'official' version of what happened that day. The hijacks were not preventable, and they were the result of a planned attack by the al Quaeda terrorist organization alone. During the wake of the tragedy, George W. Bush make a speech saying, "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11th." Most people hear this and think it's just his way of saying don't believe the bullshit you hear. Others hear a subtle way to alienate those who continued to point out the inconsistencies in the 'official' version of the events that happened that day.

It's human nature to take something we don't understand and write it off as a 'conspiracy theory'. Most people will never give any credence to any conspiracy concerning something as large and terrible as the events that happened on 9/11. I'll start with the biggest question and biggest mystery surrounding that day. The question is, "Who had the power to call off or reduce the usual security precautions that may have prevented the attacks?"

After two 'commercial' airliners had already crashed into the World Trade Center, another 'commercial' airliner was able to fly through a No-fly zone during a time that should have been the highest of security alerts. It was then able to crash into the headquarters of the most powerful military force to have ever existed in the history of mankind. How could this have happened without any serious attempt by the US military to prevent it? The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and almost all other elements of the American defense and intelligence system knew that a terrorist attack was imminent. US Attorney General Ashcroft had been advised to travel only by private jet that day, and on the night of September 10th, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next day (Sept. 11th) because of security concerns. Later of course evidence surfaced proving certain people in the US did in fact have knowledge of the attack happening before it happened.

British politician Michael Meacher, who served as a government minister under Tony Blair for six years, claimed that the US government knew ahead of time about the 9/11 attacks on New York, but chose not to act on the warnings. He said, “The US failure to avert the 9/11 was an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been planned in advance. The overriding motivation for this political smokescreen is that the US and the UK are beginning to run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies.”

Major US oil interests had been negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline through Afghanistan to transport the large oil reserves of land-locked Kazakhstan and other newly independent Soviet Republics. When Clinton hardened his line against the Taliban, they plotted 9/11 alongside the CIA, so that the US would invade Afghanistan and install a puppet regime in Kabul friendly to American oil concerns.

The staggering ineptness of NORAD, the organization in charge of protecting North America’s airspace, raises doubts. Why did it order the scrambling of jets from Langley Air Force Base, more than 130 miles from Washington, to investigate Flight 77? Why weren’t jets sent from Andrews Air Force Base which is only 10 miles away, which would have been following the proper procedure? These are important questions because this means that the planes that were sent to defend Washington arrived 15 minutes AFTER Flight 77 had smashed into the Pentagon

While DNA techniques had been used to identify victims, hijacker Mohamed’s passport was found intact and without a scratch, having survived the explosion that destroyed the plane, parts of the building, and it was found within hours among 1.6 million tons of debris.

 

No. I was genuinly going home (I was at work.)
No conspiracy.

 

I watched a documentary a few years ago and it dealt very well with the JFK shooting.
The key point for me was the "magic bullet" that pointed to a second shooter.
What isn't dealt with in a lot of the JFK conspiracies is the actual car itself (SS-100-x.)
The seating arrangement was presumed to be on the same level...this gave rise to a bullet drifting in a bizarre trajectory.
The thing is, the seating arrangement of the presidential limo isn't on the same level, neither is the seat behind the driver in the same position as the seating arrangement where JFK was sitting.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkbulletmagic.jpg

This official image gives the impression that they were both in line with each other and on the same level...
In actuality Connally's seat was mounted 6 inches away from the door and was 3 inches higher than JFK's seat.

Try and find some information on the seating positions of the actual car itself...it is difficult...but if you search "Free jack warner JFK" and look at the google images you will see what I am talking about.

Once you deal with the bullet trajectory's and the fact it is possible to shoot that many bullets in that amount of time...it all becomes rather - may I say - boring.

The conclusion of the documentary pointed towards LHO, as the only shooter, declaring that the simplest theory is generally the correct one...
I tend to agree.

Oliver Stone has a lot to answer for.

If you read this as "The order of the world has changed" and then read what politicians say when they mention "New world order" - it doesn't seem so strange.
The order of the world does indeed change, it is called progress.
At the moment the order of the world is changing from the an American domination and is shifting towards China and India.

Lunar', you say America has/had the most powerful military that has ever existed. Perhaps partially true. But, the flaw is, it is has been breached by one person...he is now awaiting to be extradited to America.
He managed to hack into the Pentagon.
Now, if you presume they are the most powerful in the world and come down a few steps to commercial airlines then you might recognise it isn't impossible for them to be breached and that their flight plan could be diverted quite easily.
It doesn't take a presidential order for this to occur.

I do believe there were serious intelligence failures, but we can all say this with the benefit of hindsight.

If you accept that it is totally possible for civilians to hijack planes fly in no-fly zones - because we live in a world of human fallibilities - the only other issue is who planned it all and why?

I take guidance from the JFK shooting...if you remove all the BS surrounding it and look at it in a simple way...then Al-Quaeda plotted it and did it because they wanted to give America a body blow...they wanted to bring down that so-called monster.

 

In Odon's world there are no conspiracies. They are non-existent. There is no such thing as corruption and evil, and the government serves only on the people's behalf. Who cares about the deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt in relation to the Kennedy assassination. Odon watches one documentary about it and is automatically an expert.

Yeah, Odon, there are two meanings to New World Order. One being what they want you to think it means, the other being what it really means. Keep in mind the term NEW WORLD ORDER goes back to the 1500s and was used originally by John Dee, an advisor to Queen Elizabeth I, to described a coming world order based on "FREE TRADE." It's a very OLD term.

Who do you think is behind the technology transfer from the West to the East? Do you think it's an act of China all by itself? No. There are people behind the scenes making it happen. This was all planned a very long time ago. The globalists have been setting China up to become the next superpower for the past 60 years. It's no coincidence. This isn't just happening by some natural occurrence.

 

Utter hogwash. Not with the type of gun that was used. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

Yes, al-CIA-duh did it. That is obvious. Now the evil bogeyman the US government created is being used to strip Americans of every remaining right and freedom they once took for granted. Yeah, looks like al-CIA-duh really stood a lot to gain from the attack. The US government, of course, just wants to protect the sheeple from the evil brown-skinned men "over there."

"Looking at it the simple way" = Don't question anything. Only go based on the "official facts."

I would just like to know how it's possible for FOUR jets to be hijacked at the same time, yet no military response. Seems pretty convenient to me. Well, of course it is once you examine the evidence. It's easy to read a few articles of corporate media BULLSHIT and form an idiot opinion based on that alone.

It's the same bullshit 85% of the Western world has swallowed without question.

 

No, that would be Americans that see the world in black and white.
There are a myriad of conspiracies...perpetrated by governments and private citizens.
Some we are never to know about because they are not documented in anyway.
I know of lots of conspiracies, and have no reasonable explanations for them.
I have no idea what E Howard Hunt said on his deathbed.
I didn't say I was an expert, like you obviously think you are, It is just my opinion.
Rip it up if you like, I don't mind, that's kinda the point here.

I know there are two meanings.
You only have to look at wiki to know that.
I know it is an old term...I did kinda say look how politicians use it...meaning it is used quite a lot...in one form or another.
I perhaps should have said that it has been used through out history.
It was a tad lazy of me, it is early here, plus I didn't want to go into minute detail, as we are supposed to be discussing these points not leaving them to be finite.

Is it beyond reason that John Dee saw a "New World Order" and didn't create a "New World Order."?
Your wording seems to point to that.
Most times people like him or politicians et al...are either saying "The oder of the world should be changed" - meaning progress needs to be made.
Or, they forsee a "New World Order."

I'm presuming you see the "New World Order" as a longstanding covert attempt to shift the world this way or that way.
By the same cabal or "Globalist Elite."?
But I don't know, what do you think?...what DOES it mean?

P.S
I don't discount the fact various people sought to have the order of the world changed...either for the right reasons or the wrong reasons.
But "New world order" isn't, imo, a continuous line that has been spun to create a "New World Order" like some master plan.
If I accept that, anything that alters the paradigm has to be some form of A "New World Order" perpetrated by the same or similar forces to bring down human kind.

I thought it was a two way streak.
We seem to get an awful lot of technology from China and Japan.