Channeled Nazi General sets record straight.

drew5147 · Aug 8, 2009

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/channeledgermangeneral23jan96.shtml

I was going to post this in metaphysics, but I feel it would receive more attention here. It is a very powerful and thought-provoking article, and I wish to share it with you.

Now, for some quotes.

We were a group of beings who had come to this planet as a group, who had hoped for and had reached for what we thought was the Light, and instead the light [we had reached for] turned out to be a great blinding flash of destruction, and we have been working toward re-creating that great blinding flash of destruction ever since. For on the surface, we thought that that was what we wanted. On the surface, and I will say that when I say "on the surface," that goes very deeply, but it does not go to the core. It does not go to the core of our essence of our being, it does not go to the core of what we originally wanted and intended for ourselves and those around us. On the surface, though, we sought complete destruction. We wanted to bring that great blinding flash of light into this planet and have the entire planet explode. We looked like we wanted to dominate; it seemed as though we did; but in fact all we wanted to dominate was—life. We wished life to be erased. And we felt within ourselves a certain cold clarity of understanding. And we felt so superior to those who did not see this. We knew we were right and it never occurred to us to think differently.
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Oh, we were so angry. We had tried to reach. We had tried to create a loving bond with something, and all it met us with was heartlessness, pitilessness, a searing, scorching, destroying pain, and in exchange for that, we were going to re-create it. We no longer felt that we wished to reach for love. For before we even had thought as a tool available to us, before that, came feeling, and before that, came a deeper kind of feeling, not emotions, even, but something that is deeper and more fundamental, more pervasive, and more essential to life. I would call it a sensation but that is not a correct representation. All of you know it, for all of you feel it or you would not be alive. It is an energy movement, a vibration, a way of being and existing. [After searching for more words...] Those words will just have to suffice. We all felt this and, I would say, that if I had to give it a word, I would call it Love.
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I now feel a great sorrow for what we did. And I now feel a great sorrow, even more than for what we did, for why we thought we had to do it. Because I now have a greater understanding of who we were and what we were about, and I feel the deepest compassion, the deepest sorrow and pity and love, for our damaged love, for before we had a chance to learn what "more" love could be, a destroying light came and struck us, and merged with us and blended with us, and created a new kind of us, that had some mixture of love and some mixture of this—what I will call "not love." Hate isn't even "not love," because hate at least is a feeling that is yearning and stretching toward changing. This thing that struck us wanted destruction. It wanted to destroy all of the movement it was seeing. It wanted to destroy the Love that we were—more than feeling—that we were.
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Again, I wish you to know now that we feel great sorrow and great remorse and great compassion for all that has happened and all those beings who participated in our search for complete destruction. 23,220,110—that was the number that we reached. We wished to reach 33,220,110. If we had reached that number, we would have been successful. What would have happened was , this planet would have been annihilated in a blast of light so brilliantly white and yet so pitiless and unloving that nothing loving, nothing of loving essence that is, nothing that was life would have survived it. That is why, toward the end, the ovens were going night and day. We were struggling, although we knew we could no longer do it, to reach that number. And when those brilliant flashes of light contributed to the number, we rejoiced. But it was, I shall say fortunately, not enough. Still, the damage was great. And our incantation, if you will, our deep black magic, was successful to a great degree.
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And so, identifying with that unloving light, we took into ourselves to a certain extent that desire or intent for complete destruction that the unloving light has, and we went about, in our very efficient way, to accomplish just that. If you knew how much we rejoiced, although it seemed to be an outward defeat, when we saw that unloving light actually personified on this planet in the form of those atomic blasts, you might shudder to your very core of being, and indeed that would be an appropriate reaction, for what we had hoped for was to bring that unloving light to every being on this planet. And that is what we we working for, and hoping for, and even, if you would accept this word [used ] in this way, praying for. We wished there to be no life left. Including our own. For we thought that our own lives had been forfeited to this unloving light by some unloving creator or god, or some creator or god who was loving but was not able to love us. And if it was not able to love us, then we must be this unloving essence.
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This is what we felt like. We had been damaged. We had been attacked. We had been frozen out. And now, all of those that had not experienced this attack, or so we thought, were reveling in their freedom, which we hated. And their freedom from fear was what we hated the most. We wanted to get them. We wanted to slap them down. We wanted to—oh, we thought we wanted to destroy them, but what we really wanted to do was join them. We wanted to be adopted into this family, recognized as long-lost children of the father and mother, and yet, because of how we had been treated initially, we feared that not only was it not possible, it was not desired.
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So in my sorrow, I will conclude my essay. There are some reading these words, who identify with the side that was attacked; who are either Jewish now or were Jewish then, or both. Or belong to one of the many other races and groups of people that we so coldly destroyed, and I know that they will be feeling that whatever I am feeling is not enough, and that whatever punishment that I can take is not enough for what I and the other generals of the Third Reich perpetrated upon them and their people.

But I will now add that all of those who were destroyed—every last entity, being and body—were also us. I realize that this will be a surprise. I realize that this will outrage some. But they were also us. They represented to us, and they had manifested in the forms they did in order to represent to us, all that we thought was unacceptable to our Creator Gods. We were performing a massive self-sacrifice.

I am pausing to allow the true and full import of that information to sink in.

We were sacrificing ourselves.
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This article really speaks to me, as it helps to illustrate the depth and complexity of Spiritual Families. Members of your spiritual family may or may not be related to you by blood, you may not even know them in person, but you have known them throughout time, and they love you very much.

So we as a group incarnated into Europe. Some of us incarnated manifesting the unloving light as best we could, shoving down inside ourselves, deeply inside ourselves, anything that did not resemble that unloving light. Therefore shutting away all emotions, all compassion, all love, all sympathy, all mercy. And then others of us in our group incarnated manifesting all of those things: Sympathy, mercy, justice, grace; movement, light, love, laughter; freedom, expansion. The sheer will to survive that the Jewish people had had in the face of the many persecutions over the centuries, over the millennia, was a manifestation of this part of ourselves that we felt (remember that we were all part of the same group) was unacceptable because it was us. We were our own oppressor. So we squared off, and we said, some of our essence will go into these beings and be Nazis, and some of us will go into these beings and be Jewish. Or Romany, or Polish, or Hungarian, or any number of other entities and beings, though our focus was primarily on those groups that had survived in the face of great adversity, for those were the ones that, by having so survived, pointed out in particular clarity, exactly what was wrong with us. Or so we thought. So we thought that if we destroyed everyone who represented that kind of being and essence, that we would be allowed back into the graces of God, not realizing that in fact what had happened was that that kind of being and essence was the most closest to God, [was] the most loving, the most alive—and that the essence we had identified with, that unloving light of destruction, was the furthest from God and the most toward death.
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Someone once told me that it takes the greatest amount of love, on a spiritual level, to murder a person, because you cause them so much pain and suffering, which is an excellent source of Karmic lessons. Those are the ones who are truly your Brothers and Sisters, willing to do whatever it takes so that you may learn and grow and expand.

That is all I have to say for now. I wish to close with that grand revelation. I know that there will be many who will deny this. There will be many who read this or hear this and who say, "That cannot be." But they are not looking at the picture from the height that I am now viewing it from, and they are not realizing that it is no shame, nor does it in any way detract, to say that those who were Jewish and those who were killing the Jews, in World War II, were actually part of the same soul family, for that is what was true.
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For, if you look at the Big Picture, you can see all the intricacies and interconnectedness of Being, you know that certain things happen for a reason, for we are Spiritual Beings having a Human experience.

I, for one, am extremely grateful to be Human, the ups and downs of this lifetime are exhilarating and extremely joyous, while they may be excruciatingly painful at times, in the end, it is worth it.

At least we aren't rocks!

You think to yourself that it is not possible that those who are seeking to destroy have anything that is good or valuable or true, if you will, at the very deepest level, or loving, about them, and yet it is, simply, a play that is being played out, in which the spirits are trying to re-enact their original misunderstandings, and some take certain roles, and others take other roles. There are other spirit families on this planet enacting other misunderstandings that they have about their creation and their role in creation, and those misunderstandings too will be addressed and cleared up, not necessarily all by one single channel (though this channel will do what she can), but by many people who are finally awaking to a greater reality and a greater truth and a greater awareness. And as you become aware of both sides of a conflict, and as you can understand and see both the roots of both sides of a conflict, and as you can especially come to have compassion for loving essence in whatever form that it has, then you yourself will be expanding your own loving essence, for you will have an understanding that is rooted in love and compassion.
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And this could be an entirely new thread in itself. The following intrigues me to no end, and if you dont have the stamina to read this entire post, at least read this part.

On your World Wide Web, you have many, many beings who are still playing out the destructive impulse, because deep within them is a sorrow and a fear that they, as they are, are not loving essence or are not acceptable to loving essence, and if you read the messages posted by these individuals, and just allow yourself to close your eyes and feel what is coming through their messages, you can feel the destructive impulse. You can feel that, whatever their words are, that they are seeking to destroy. And there are others that post messages that may even on the surface look rude, that you might with your mind react to as rude. And yet if you close your eyes and allow yourself to feel the essence coming through that message, then you can feel the loving essence that is coming through, and you can feel that there is a loving intent to expand.

I would suggest, and I would say, that it is possible to feel the essence of every being who posts a message or puts up a World Wide Web page or in fact communicates in any form: through television, through print, through speaking. Through any form, communication always spreads one of two intentions. It is either loving essence seeking to expand, or it is unloving essence seeking to destroy.

Now when you meet these poor souls who are seeking to destroy—and there are many many of them on the World Wide Web, for they are able to get away with much (they think; they are not aware of how so many can feel their unlovingness), they feel they can get away with more because in person their unloving essence expresses itself more obviously, they think—do not make the mistake of polarizing toward them in a way that says "I will destroy you." Do not approach them with attack. Do not feed back to them unloving essence, for that is what they wish.

Understand that they are either entirely unloving essence, which is possible, in which case trying to interact with them at all in any way will only result in further attacks and attempts on their part to destroy you, or they are loving essence with some part of unloving essence stuck to them, and they are following [an agenda], the same way we did in World War II in Nazi Germany. (And again, the war is still going on, and these beings that you are encountering are part of this war. I did not go into daycare, I did not go into many aspects of reincarnation and so on, but I will say by way of summary that many many people on the World Wide Web are part of this war, just as many people in the television and movie industry are part of this war—and it is essentially a war between loving and unloving essence, and unloving essence is fighting it to destroy, and loving essence is fighting it to survive and expand; this series of changelings is part of that war, if you will.) So these beings are either unloving essence in toto, because unloving essence is able to manifest and appear as beings on the World Wide Web, on the Internet, much more easily than it can in bodies, because bodies have by their very nature loving essence in them. Or, they are beings who are loving essence with unloving essence stick to them, and they think they must follow this agenda of self- and other-destruction in order to be accepted, or out of their despair that they never will be.
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Those of you who are loving essence, who are expressing unloving essence, I suggest to you that before you react to this outwardly, that you allow yourself to feel how you are feeling, what you are feeling, inwardly. Ask yourself, if you are responding with savage anger, rejection, and denial, what is it that you are angry about? what is it that you are rejecting? and what is it that you are denying? And then ask yourself under that, what is it that you are truly hoping for? For it is my belief, and I do not think that I am wrong here, that what you truly hope for is not to accomplish the agenda of the unloving essence that is stuck to you, but to instead accomplish your true agenda, which is the loving essence that you are, which is to expand your loving essence, and become more of who and what you are, rather than less (which is what the unloving essence is seeking to force you into). And ask yourself therefore what you can do to help move that unloving essence out of you, of there are many things you can do. Some of them are simple, some are more complex, but they all start with one simple decision, and that decision is love.
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Please discuss.

hotwater · Aug 8, 2009

Channeled Nazi or a revisionist Neo-Nazi with visions of aryan supremacy still
dancing in his head

Hotwater

drew5147 · Aug 8, 2009

You didnt read any of it, did you?

at least read the last two quotes...

hotwater · Aug 8, 2009

drew5147 said:

You didnt read any of it, did you?

at least read the last two quotes...
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OK I read the last 2 quotes; like I said revisionist tripe :toetap05:

The Stranger (1946)

The German sees himself as the innocent victim of world envy and hatred conspired against him. set upon by inferior peoples of inferior nations. He cannot admit to error much less to wrong doing, not the german. We chose to ignore ethiopia and spain but we learned from our casualty list the price of looking the other way. Men of truth everywhere have come to know for whom the bell tolls, but not the german. No he still follows his warrior gods marching to wagnerian strains, his eyes fixed upon a fiery sort of secret, and in those dark subterranean meeting places the german dream world comes alive, and he takes his place in shining armor beneath the banners of the teutonic knights

Mankind is waiting for the messiah, but for the german the messiah is not the prince of peace, he's another barbarosa, another hitler

Hotwater

Zorba The Grape · Aug 8, 2009

I didn't know there were people this retarded.

drew5147 · Aug 8, 2009

That isn't anything like what I posted.

This is all channeled material, meaning that the man who's words these are are long dead.

You dont have to believe it, as I said I was going to post this (and I did post it) in the metaphysics forum, but I wanted a more lively debate abbout the message here.

Pressed_Rat · Aug 9, 2009

Anyone can say they have channeled information that they pulled out of their ass. C'mon, man!

drew5147 · Aug 9, 2009

I still think its a good article...

Styve--At-Large · Aug 10, 2009

it was interesting, its like they say "good and evil is only a matter of perspective"

Styve--At-Large · Aug 10, 2009

i am reading the article and so far i am seeing a resemblince to all this conspiracy "NWO" mumbo jumbo. i had heard that the NWO stuff was tried by the Nazi [and obviously failed] but this really puts in into perspective.

who ever these masterminds were, they were behind the Nazi movement. when the nazis failed them they moved to America. and lest we have this NWO stuff we talk about today. as many people have pointed out there have been "events" and "coincedences" that remedy Nazi propoganda tactics. this may be the reason as to why. the author does say "we" alot.

thank you for posting it here.

Zorba The Grape · Aug 11, 2009

Disinfo 104,000,000
Morons 0

hotwater · Aug 12, 2009

Zorba The Grape said:

Disinfo 104,000,000
Morons 0
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As If we’re going to be taken in by a nazi apologist

Hotwater

Tsurugi_Oni · Aug 12, 2009

A very good read that speaks deeply about the Human Dilemma.

A channeled general? Lmao.......

He speaks for every single individual related to the Nazi faction huh? What a joke...... but a good message nonetheless. Everyone should read the last 2 paragraphs at LEAST and meditate on it deeply. Cycle it through your head and what it means in real terms.

"Don't mind the bully. If you keep on reacting he's going to keep on picking on you."
"The NWO are heartless bastards. Take em out!"

Seriously though. It's true.

* just read the whole original article. Makes me rethink about the channeling thing (crazy huh?? where's the proof!!!). It rings with every truth that I've come across in my life *

Padme · Aug 12, 2009

How the hell would a ghost know about the internet and television.? I thought ghosts are trapped in their own time oblivious to the present.

Tsurugi_Oni · Aug 12, 2009

What do you even know about ghosts? Or truly about life and death or existence?

drew5147 · Aug 12, 2009

What do we know about anything?...

I think nowadays, too much value has been placed on "evidence."

There are certain things which we do not yet have the capacity for observing, things that are completely beyond us.

People need to learn to develop and listen to their intuition, so they can determine for themselves what may or may not be true.

Plus, it wasn't a "ghost."

As I said, this is also posted in Metaphysics, where it truly belongs.

You dont have to throw out the message simply because you cant listen to the source.

Tsurugi_Oni · Aug 12, 2009

You talkin to me or Padme?

I was talking about Padme's response. "I watched Ghostbusters and this ghost is nothing like that!!!"

Me personally, this channeling will make no difference as to how I will realistically relate to that event. But the very fabric of which this account is made rings so strongly with all of my life experiences. So at the very least it is like a modern Biblical Parable.

Zorba The Grape · Aug 12, 2009

drew5147 said:

What do we know about anything?...

I think nowadays, too much value has been placed on "evidence."

...

People need to learn to develop and listen to their intuition, so they can determine for themselves what may or may not be true.
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Determination of truth is done through collection and analysis of evidence. These are the kind of statements that make me say you don't believe in reality.

Tsurugi_Oni · Aug 12, 2009

Yah but you can't analyze everything in a lab. Just because we can't set up some grand experiment to test some things doesn't mean that certain things aren't true. Many times we just don't know how to, don't have the resources to, or don't even fully understand what we're trying to experiment on.

We're still in the phase of giving people pills to make them happy. This is the truth of science and many of its disciples.

They haven't learned the very basic truths of dealing with the human mind. And science can't even begin to unravel many of the mysteries of the mind.

Padme · Aug 12, 2009

Tsurugi_Oni said:

You talkin to me or Padme?

I was talking about Padme's response. "I watched Ghostbusters and this ghost is nothing like that!!!"

Me personally, this channeling will make no difference as to how I will realistically relate to that event. But the very fabric of which this account is made rings so strongly with all of my life experiences. So at the very least it is like a modern Biblical Parable.
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Maybe I was being naive in my response. But I seriously do not know the difference between channelling someone (Or using a ouiji board) and seeing a ghost. I thought Spiritualism covers all of those aspects. And you're right, we can't know everything.

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