Do you feel LSD is cheating?

Buddha says...

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
Buddha

 

Damn you're startin to love what that man has to Say lol.

 

I think getting to live is cheating. doing things like lsd is just taking advantage of the cheat to get more use out of it.

 

Oh yeah? Well, what did he know about it?

 

LOL! I love all wisdom.

Watch out...When I run out of applicable buddha quotes I'm going to use jesus, mohammed, etc

 

holy shit. that is the purest way I've ever heard it expressed. much better delivery than mine

okay. It just seemed like there were assumptions made about how people are in their offline lives based on the content of their posts. I for one come to the internet to do and get things that I don't get in the offline world, so in real life I'm going to be radically different than the caricature that can be formed based on my posts.



The remarks below are indeed true, but they are touching on conduct and lifestyle in the real world, with face to face interactions, and I don't think they can be extrapolated from the ideas posted in a forum. A person can have both sides, the spinning rhetorical wheels and the real and simple spiritual work.

 

True, I don't know what anyone in these forums does away from their keyboards, but that wasn't really my point anyway.
My point is that it's easy to fall into the trap of studying and analyzing the spiritual aspect of life and in so doing believe that you are also fulfilling it in your life. I've fallen prey to it myself and have seen it in others. It is a subtle distinction between the knowing of learning and experience and the knowing of doing. In the end it is the doing that really leaves a mark that stands the test of time.
The book of 1st Corinthians chapters 12-14 is a good example of this in Christianity. The Corinthian church was getting all hung up on the supernatural and mystical experience and totally forgetting the main message of doing and being a conduit for love.

I still feel that this sums it up rather well:

1 Corinthians 13
Love
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

The most damn important thing I learned from psychedelics and still seek out when I ingest some entheogenic substance is I take a very hard, honest, and ruthless look at myself and how I need to adjust my life for the benefit of other than me. I know a lot of people in these forums do the same, it almost can't be avoided with LSD and such. I try to practice that "third person" perspective as much as I can consciously everyday.

It ain't always easy, but I try.

 

very cool. good interpretation. I oughta read the NT again. I avoided it for a while because of sectarian connotations, but I got over those once I ate acid.

 

Life is a gift bro, which is why ears are always filled with music anywhere...Think about it, go to anywhere, mall, fast-food its constant pleasure for the mind, music everywhere, eye-candy...This could literally be a human paradise or ever a self-paradise....And its easily turning into a self-paradise for me :cheers2:

Doing things like lsd just make it wonderful

 

U ain't lying here. Lol. Same thing happened to me.

 

if so, ive been murdered by the spiritual aspect of life

 

There is no Cheating.. ENlightenment happens nOW!!
Wooo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdgO4UDrwm8&NR=1

lol Watch it, love that guy

Now an "enlightened Yogi" in response to the link above talking about enlightenment, and the experience of going through white holes and black holes in transcendence of the universe, or something of that nature.. honestly wicked captivating.. and beautiful to lsiten too, both pretty awesome. Clears up mass confusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrw7bE_a4NY&NR=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJUqr6lL1JY&feature=channel

^ Lmao. Wow. Please watch these videos. That last ones funny. I love how he just makes it sound like its complete common sense

 

no, its not cheating. if it were, buddhism would be cheating too. i think its more what allan watts said - a gratuitous grace. because, if you keep taking acid over and over, you really end up more in your own head than become a more spiritually enlightened person. those insights, however profound, are yours alone and in the end the lesson is to accept reality, not try to change it. taking a lot of acid, especially around alot of people, has in my experience led to an inflated ego. where the person believes their own personal thoughts are the thoughts of god, as if they were a god themselves, while leaving the basics of life unattended. no matter how high your thoughts, if you still can't feed yourself, clothe yourself... your just a mortal. immortality, i believe, comes when you can live on by giving of yourself to others. when you no longer need to take drugs to feel connected, its as simple as cooking a hungry person a meal. and why? is it because you are trying to bring them into "the light"? no, its because they are hungry, and you have been hungry before. so instead of imposing a trip or a game, just feed them and be humble. i think LSD is really just the most spirtual form of entertainment - which, dont get me wrong, has a lot of value. even more value, i think, then the old stodgy religious scriptures which claim to be "truth". there is no objective truth, only subjective Truth, but it can be derived by exploring and exposing oneself to the Truths of others.

 

a wonderful quote. sheds more light than any of the dogma in the precepts

 

lol, you're correct of course, but I think religious scriptures are much better at feeding the ego than eating acid frequently. but it's in a weird way like half narcissism half self-loathing, being more special than others but at the same time being a broken soul in need of help.

religions are like candle after unlit candle. you are the flame and the candle will hold the flame, but it will eventually die out and need replaced. in some cases people try to blow out your flame once you light the candle.

yeah but being concerned with doing good deeds has its perils, and very easily lends itself to ego inflation. I think the golden rule is overrated, "do unto others what you want done to you..." it kind of assumes that everyone wants to be treated the same way. I think many homeless ppl would be uncomfortable or offended by an offer of a cooked meal (but I know you just meant that as an example).

Losing oneself in the service of others has a tendency to backfire. THAT you're giving becomes more important than WHAT you're giving, and it's easy to think that you're giving when you're not at all. If you love and take care of yourself, you have more to offer. Healthy love of self flows from you effortlessly and is indistinguishable from love of others, and opportunities to do good are not hard to find or execute.

 

One really cool thing: there are a lot of people in this thread, all working toward the same goal. We might envision it differently, and we have different ideas of how to get there. If we stopped making statements about what we thought it was and how to get there and started making statements about what it is not and what paths to avoid, we'd probably all agree.

And if we all live by the light we have, that means there are a good many people who are helping out and making progress and they're actually communicating and encouraging others on the internet. That's fantastic.

Now, enlightened tits or GTFO.

 

To be honhest, I dont even know what Enlightenment is... I just believe its the end of the road to schizophrenia, stupid thoughts and crazy ideas coming on as big revelations that last with you.

 

If i had to descrobe enlightment, it would go like this..Being able to appreciate the little big things of life, like trees and water and other just amazing shit...I would rather be a enlightened person who could stare at a flower for days than be a buiness man who messes with money and materalistic shit, i do like money though lol....Enlightment could either be drugged form or meditation form..Drug form is more druggy as in less speech, more spaced out..Meditation is more clear, with a calming body posture..Just my thoughts though

Enlightment is just different thinking

 

The Buddha never had contact with any psychedelic drugs, so I can see him railing against alcohol and weed.

What LSD does is connect a person with his or her sub-conscious, where a lot of truth is hidden. Sure you get through meditation and personal endeavor, but acid makes it easy.

 

if one was truly accomplished on the path of truth they wouldn't be starting a discussion thread on a forum. i can tell you that!