I don't like these people do you - why?

Aung San Suu Kyi

Martin Luther King, Jr

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Nelson Mandela

Winston Churchill

Another ball park:

David Cameron

Nicholas William Peter Clegg

Tony Benn

 

Why don't you like them grumpy?

 

Aung San Suu Kyi, Martin Luther King, Jr, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela, seem to be the figureheads of this issue and that issue, but I question how much they have done for that issue.
For one thing two of them have been jailed for nearly half their lives...doing bugger all.
Perhaps they have done wonders...but, I do think too much emphasis is placed on them for what they apparently did.
People say: "These people inspired me."
I think: "Did they, did they really? or is it because you don't know anybody else in that particular movement...or you're just like jumping on the band-wagon."

My displeasure with them is slightly, perhaps even completely, irrational. But, whenever I see these people on my TV, I wish to throw a brick at it.

Winston Churchill was probably the biggest war criminal bar Hitler.
I have no proof of this, but I think he committed countless atrocities in his tenure as prime minister of Britain.
I could be wrong here, but I think he is, and I can't get that thought out of my head.

David Cameron: Big time conservative ****.

Nicholas William Peter Clegg: Big time liberal ****

Tony Benn: Big time old liberal annoyingly self righteous ****.

 

I think you do have somewhat of a point in regards to the 20th century's figureheads of peace and justice. I do sometimes get the feeling that such people are only really effective in their capacity as easy to swallow religious symbols. Their wisdom and effectiveness seems to be overrated.

I think that disliking them is kind of irrational though, as you seem to realize. They achieved more than you and I could ever hope to.

I have heard a lot of little snippets about Churchill's supposed atrocities, but that is about it. What is it that he supposedly did? Apparently he fucked over the Australian army in World War II when we started pulling troops home from the African front in order to defend our own country. The japanese were just across the ocean in Papua New Guinea, but no, Africa was more important

In my experience, all British politicians are bastards. Australian politicians are also bastards, who look nice, but really are bastards. Maybe you should be thankful that your guys are honest about it at least.

 

Gandhi was a child molester..

 

thanks ,, Ive been dying to use this ...

 

This wouldn't be a difficult thing to do.

Though not seen as a war crime...I believe the bombing of Dresden was a dreadful thing to do. Winston effectively rubber-stamped that mission as pay-back (for the bombing of coventry), nothing more, imo.

"Brazenly lying to the House of Commons and the public, Churchill claimed that only military and industrial installations were targeted. In fact, the aim was to kill as many civilians as possible thus, "area" bombing, or "carpet" bombing and in this way to break the morale of the Germans and terrorize them into surrendering."

Gassing kurds as an "experiment."

He was a racist too - not cool.

I can't remember any of those calling themselves bastards...I must look that one up. A little direction would be helpful, thanks.

 

Go on....

Not that I don't believe you but a citation would be nice.

 

I thought dresden was a joint UK/US venture. Also, was this any worse than the yanks dropping the bomb?

Where is it recorded that he gassed kurds?

Ha ha, yes, conservative party members are generally racist are they not?

 

In his book The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress: Secrets of the Female Taoist Masters, Hsi Lai writes that Mahatma Gandhi "periodically slept between two twelve-year-old female virgins. He didn't do this for the purpose of actual sexual contact, but as an ancient practice of rejuvenating his male energy. . . . Taoists called this method 'using the ultimate yin to replenish the yang.'" Now, far be it from me to disparage anyone's best-intentioned efforts to have his yang replenished. Still, I confess that this Gandhi-virgin-sandwich yarn pushes the needle of my BS detector way into the red. Did Gandhi indeed kip with preteen jail-quail? If so, what was his source of supply?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2521/did-mahatma-gandhi-sleep-with-virgins

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From here

 

Thats really fascinating hippiebilly! The things we take for granted.

 

It perhaps was...but it was WC idea.
You want me to start on the yanks too?

To be fair, whether they were actually gassed or not is an open question.

On 19 February, 1920, before the start of the Arab uprising, Churchill (then Secretary for War and Air) wrote to Sir Hugh Trenchard, the pioneer of air warfare. Would it be possible for Trenchard to take control of Iraq? This would entail "the provision of some kind of asphyxiating bombs calculated to cause disablement of some kind but not death...for use in preliminary operations against turbulent tribes."


I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHU407A.html

No, that would be unfair . I'm sure his views on "coloured people" was shared by many politicians and "normal folk" - perhaps even nothing out of the ordinary for that time...but still, racist ****.

 

This does make one wonder... Of course, sources make picking out fact from myth difficult...

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/mlking.asp

 

I agree Nelson Mandela is a big phony figurehead, a real zero.----As far as Churchill,I think he was a brilliant man in many ways.

 

Winston Churchill, the greatest orator of all time, was so fucked up on champagne and cognac, that he may not have done some of his own speeches. They were done by a man from the BBC who did Winnie the Pooh. "We will fight them on the beaches, in the air, on the land, Eeyore and Tigger!"
—Robin Williams- Live on Broadway (2002)—

 

An informative article, mutteredexpletives.

HawaiianEye, his negatives outweigh the positives imo.
He probably was "brilliant," imo, many people can be "brilliant2 in a particular field, but bloody awful people.

 

LOL.Churchill definitely had his flaws including manic depression,but in a way that added to his brilliance.Inspite of his flaws he stood strong during one of the most difficult times in history,and was a pillar of strength for the British people and the Allies.

 

I can faintly hear "land of hope and glory" as I read this.

 

That's very true.Alot of famous Americans fall into that category,brilliant in a particular field, but bloody awful people.----I guess when I think of Churchill,I'm thinking of WW2.I don't know a great deal about Churchill aside from WW2.I really need to read a good accurate book about him.