I have been meaning to post this interesting concept but i was talking to this guy at random and then he spoke about adam and eve then he was talking about his concept of what was the "fruit"? well first he was telling me that Eve got the "fruit" no? from the tree and the snake .....satan tolled her to take it and then acknowledge it to adam that they were nake after "eating" the "fruit" well then the guy was asking me " what do we get now a days get from trees?"...I was like "??? fruits?" and he tells me " well yes but we all so produce and make PAPER out of it" so than he went on telling me that he felt that the "tree" was a book and that the "fruit" was more of a certain "knowledge" that God didnt want us to take part of now since Eve took the fruit ..."knowledge" from the tree (book) she now was embrassed by being naked so then he ask if i knew what book that could possibly be and answered me ....." its the book of witchcraft" well after thinking about his interpretation It kind was acceptable to me because we dnt know what type of "fruit" this was and I can see how God didn't want us to read from this book and how this all connects. anyone feel that same ? i think that the "fruit" might of been knowledge about witchcraft and that the tree could of been "witchcraft".
The "Fruit" was the knowledge of good and evil ~ what IS good, and what IS evil. It brought guilt upon us, because they realized that what they had done was "evil," mainly because of WHY they did it. Sex isn't something evil, and Adam and Eve enjoyed it, probably having children in the Garden, before the Fall. i say that, because the Bible says that her pain in childbirth will be increased, leading me to believe that up to that point, any children were delivered with supreme ease. If God thought sex was "evil," He surely wouldn't have made us male and female, expecting Adam and Eve to populate the entire planet, AND He wouldn't have made it so darned enjoyable!!! :rofl:
I really didnt like Mike and the Mechanics,, .. Srsrly after hearing Living Years. I wanted to fucking kill myself!!!! Genesis rocks!!..
Very astute. In fact it was.. And when you view like it really reads in the original text it's very clear. Eve had sex with satan, and then she had sex with Adam. Now when you read through the birthing it's obvious that she gave birth to twins. She gave birth to one and then ""she continued in birth" and delivered the other. Dual father twins are nothing new. Nothing miraculous there. But, if you look at the beauty of this, it started the entire Yin Yang thing right there. The entire balance was struck in one birth. The good family and the bad. And the test begins. BTW..... I will debate anybody, anywhere on this subject. All I require is that you know more than one language. Or, at least know how to use a Strong's Concordance. Because this is an area where translations really suck. -
yin and yang has to do ALOT OF THE GARBAGE that oprah teaches which is the new age stuff and I sure you thats not something God agrees with also CAn you PLEASE I BEG YOU to use some verse to where Satan has sex with eve and then Adam. I have read in the bible where EVe (I THINK) has sex with a fallen angel Am not SO SURE. also eve had ATE FROM A FRUIT it doesnt talk of a physical contact with the snake??
This is what I was talking about. You're coming from a translated version. And coming from that version, you would be right. But, it's not the verses..... It's the translation. And it's a WRONG TRANSLATION in many places. These verses, for example. The word beguiled is a mistranslation. It should read seduced. And the word seduced in the original text, of which there are three, is the one for sexually seduced. If you want more, you'll have to learn it for yourself. Makes none to me weather you believe me or not. These things are trivial to me. What I care about is that you find out for yourself. Even if I'm wrong, if it prompts you to dig in. I win. Cuz that's what I desire for all of you. -
If i didnt care why would i ask in the first place? yes am interested in your point of view. also I do think the snake was bieng seductive but in a spiritual way. men i totally forgot where in the bible but its said that we can be seduced spiritually by seducing spirits. so I still dnt think that there was a sexual thing going on between eve and the snake. but then again was their any evil spirits at this point before biting the apple?
Very sorry..... When I come into these forums, I have a suit of armor on. I'm used to being under attack. Again, sorry. Let me help a little, if I may. The word used in Genesis is "expatoa" in the Greek. Which was mistranslated into the third definition of the word "decieve" when it should have been the first definition, given the vernacular at the time. The first definition is "To be wholly seduced" which has a definite sexual context in the original vernacular. The thought you refer to in the passage which contains "seduced spiritually" is correctly translated to/from "deceive, or beguile". Meaning tricked, or conned. Hope this helps. -
Okay JusSumguy, you recommend Strong’s so let’s go to the KJV, seeing as that is what Strong’s uses. In Strong’s the word “deceive” or any of it’s forms are not used until Gen. 31:7 which has nothing to do with Eve. The Word used at Gen. 3:13 is “beguiled” which is #5377, so let’s take a look at #5377. First, it’s interesting to note that this is a Hebrew word not a Greek one as you seem to indicate, using a Greek word for this at this point would be a translation. 5377 - נָשָׁא - nasha', naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:--beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly. There does not appear to be a physical or sexual meaning or connotation. Next, since we are in Strong’s already let’s take a look at “tree”, “eat” and “fruit” and see if there are any physical or sexual meanings or connotations. The word “tree” that is used in Genesis is #6086, also a Hebrew word. 6086 - עֵץ - `ets, ates; from 6095; a tree (from its firmness); hence, wood (plural sticks):--+ carpenter, gallows, helve, + pine, plank, staff, stalk, stick, stock, timber, tree, wood. Seems to be saying just a tree. The word “eat” that is used in Genesis, in the scriptures we’re talking about is #398, also a Hebrew word. 398 - אָכַל - 'akal, aw-kal'; a primitive root; to eat (literally or figuratively):--X at all, burn up, consume, devour(-er, up), dine, eat(-er, up), feed (with), food, X freely, X in...wise(-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, X quite. Means to eat. The word “fruit” that is used in Genesis is #6529, also a Hebrew word. 6529 - פֶּ֫רִי - priy, per-ee'; from 6509; fruit (literally or figuratively):--bough, ((first-)) fruit((-ful)), reward. Meaning fruit. It’s hard to see where the idea it’s talking about sex comes from, given what Strong’s says about it. As for 2 Corinthians 11 1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Where you said; “The word beguiled is a mistranslation. It should read seduced. And the word seduced in the original text, of which there are three, is the one for sexually seduced.” Before even looking at Strong’s let’s just see if inserting “sexually seduced” for “beguiled” makes any sense. If we do that, it would mean that that Paul is warning the disciples that they too might be “sexually seduced” by Satan, which sounds a little far fetched to me. But if we leave it pretty much the way it is phrased, it would mean that the disciples should be careful not to have their minds deceived, like Eve’s mind was deceived. Which seems a little more reasonable to me than what you say it means.
The fruit was a peach. A delicious peach. God wanted all the peaches for himself and made up a ridiculous story about how they were deadly. Then he got pissed when all his peaches were gone and said "GTFO of my house."
