Cash for clunkers disaster for dealers

Same with my dad's 1986 Ford Ranger. She's had her problems but she still keeps purring down the road, as long as I don't totally ignore her. She's not real pretty a gate closed on her and dented one side, and I am not a real car washing fiend. But she get's me where I need to go. As long as bureaucrats don't make her illegal through their smog legislation Not that she emits anything except condensation on cold mornings..

 

I agree Hip Cash for Clunkers has nothing to do with the health care debate. And I wish the republicans would call for the shut down of Medicare and Medicaid. We'd have a national health plan in no time if they did. We'd have marches in every capitol of every state. No one would even remember what a teaparty was about.

 

It basically just shows the incompetence of the govt. And that's not a big deal when we are talking about the CARS program. Just dumping our economy in the toilet. But it becomes a much bigger deal when we are talking about our health.

Social Security a disaster, ummm, maybe not. But I would definitely prefer to have my own say in what to do with the money. It makes a lot more sense for me to have my own account, FDIC insured, and I can track it and adjust it as I please. I don't want the SSA going broke on me and not having any more money when I show up with my hand out. And yes, we have Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and Indian Health. The VA and the Indian Health programs are a mess. People aren't getting the care they deserve. Medicaid and Medicare, I'm not sure. I've heard Medicaid is a mess, but Medicare not so much. Probably some old folks that have money got some lawyers or something to force the government to get it together. The other programs don't have a lot of people with a lot of power.

Medicaid is needed for poor people. Medicare is needed for retirees. I don't need the government "fixing" my health care system that ain't broke. Medicare and Medicaid don't have a big effect on me, they don't concern me right now. And they don't need to be thrown out, but they might need to be fixed. And yes, our health care system could stand to be fixed, but not like this. If I like my plan, don't mess with it.

 

Sorry can't prove you wrong. My brother works at a dealership in Chicago. They have sold almost 200 cash for clunker cars. They have not seen a single dollar from the government yet. That's almost a million dollars the dealership has lost. They won't have money to pay their employees. The government better get that money to them soon... or a lot of dealerships will be closing down.

 

Thank you!!!

 

I drive a 93' Ford Tempo. It gets lets say... 15mpg highway...... and it doesnt' qualify for the program. We even checked with 3 dealerships. 230k miles, and it's pretty much a deadbeat.

Can someone please explain this to me?

 

Yeah, so you know first hand why this program is a disaster. And now I understand why you were criticizing my original post. Would the $4500 make a difference in you being able to afford a new car?

Sorry, brother. I'll say it again, and I'll say it loud; OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US LITTLE PEOPLE!! HE ONLY CARES ABOUT POWER AND HIS ELITIST FRIENDS!!

 

Duh. Yes.

 

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Some people couldn't afford a new car even with the $4500 rebate. Some people don't need it, but hell if you're offering I'll take it. Are you at the point where the $4500 makes it possible, but with out the rebate you can't swing it?

 

Your trade-in must have a Combined MPG rating of 18 MPG or less to qualify.
Gas Mileage !993 Ford Tempo
MPG (city)

19​

MPG (highway)

25​

MPG (combined)

21​

 

Problem is, those are the numbers when the thing was brand new. I thought the numbers quoted (15 mpg) sounded really low, but maybe the car is in seriously bad shape? So brand new it got 21 mpg, but in reality, now, in busted ass shape, it gets 15 mpg. But Tsurugi (sorry, don't remember the name) did say he wasn't sure.

 

His car didn't qualify, No Tempos qualified. Small Compacts wern't the target of the program.
They're an estimate, some people get better some worse.

Driving habits and maintenance have to be considered too.

My wife drives a 2006 Taurus estimated mpg is 18 city 25 hwy. Actual mpg 22 city 33 hwy.

 

Mayeb then should have a team of engineers inspect each car and drive it for a week to test it?

I don't think so. Of course you could argue over every model included and excluded, but then you would really have a disaster of a program.

 

I don't want a car.

The point is to encourage the marginal buyer. Its no different than a dealership offering "0% financing" or any other incentive - they can't know who would buy without the incentive, they have to offer it to everyone.

 

If ya ask me, the whole program is like the evil mob boss giving you "the offer". It's almost too good you can't refuse, but in the end of the day (IMO) it's not right.

Considering we're capitalistic, and considering that the whole program is a "green" one, the program (IMO) is a failure in representing our motives. Personally I don't even know if I could resist, the offer is almost too good to resist.

 

Ugh, I could resist. If ya got a car ya really like ya prob wanna keep it. Fuck a bunch-a new cars...

'86 CHEVETTE here......

 

1. the dealers being understaffed isn't a fault with how the government dealt with it, it's a problem with how the dealers dealt with it

2. so are their dealerships being "madhouses"

3. them not getting reimbursed yet isn't a big deal, they were told that it would take x amount of time to process each transaction, x hasn't even passed yet on the ones they are worried about, and there was a broader response than was expected. the dealers could have dealt with that differently

(say by starting the deal and telling the customer it would be finished at a slightly later date, that would have mitigated all of the problems you've mentioned)

You are spewing propaganda. Could the program have been better designed? yes.

But all in all, it will have done what it intended to do.

 

Give people already in debt, more money to spend (spend as in borrowing) more money.

yeah, good idea...