Was Ted Kennedy a murderer?

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  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Is Ted Kennedy a murderer?


    The Kennedy clan has always been a bit, how should I put this creepy to me.

    For instance I find the Chappaquiddick incident to be a perfect example of what I mean,

    In 69' Ted attended a party in Chappaquiddick, a small island connected via ferry to the town of Edgartown on the adjoining larger island of Martha's Vineyard.

    Toward the end of the night the young Ted decided to excuse himself from the party and took one Mary Jo Kopechne, a former campaign worker for the assassinated U.S Senator Robert F. Kennedy up on her offer to give her a lift home as well, upon asking Ted why not bring a chauffeur to drive them, he replied that they were all still enjoying the festivities.

    Kopechne, by all accounts told no one she was leaving the shin dig, and left both her purse and hotel key at the party.

    According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road, an unlit dirt road that led to Dike Bridge (also spelled Dyke Bridge). Dike Road was unpaved, but Kennedy, driving at "approximately twenty miles an hour", oddly took "no particular notice" of this fact.

    Dike Bridge was a wooden bridge angled obliquely to the road with no guardrail. A fraction of a second before he reached the bridge, Kennedy applied his brakes; he then drove over the side of the bridge. The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside-down underwater.

    Ted swam from the wreckage and then claims to have made multiple attempts to pull her from the half submerged 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88, but to to avail.

    It was at this point things get a bit odd in my opinion, as Ted still for goes calling the authorities in place of a "nights sleep" that was apparently interrupted by loud noise in the suite adjacent to his at ruffly 2:30 a.m.

    Earlier that morning, two amateur fishermen had seen the overturned car in the water and notified the inhabitants of the cottage nearest to the pond, who called the authorities at around 8:20 am.

    A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne's body at around 8:45 am.The diver, John Farrar, later testified at the inquest that Kopechne's body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed.

    He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne may have survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that,

    “ Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car "

    medical examiner, Dr Donald Mills, was satisfied that the cause of death was accidental drowning.

    He signed a death certificate to that effect and released Kopechne's body to her family without ordering an autopsy.

    Later, on September 18, District Attorney Dinis attempted to secure an exhumation of Kopechne's body in order to perform a belated autopsy,citing blood found on Kopechne's skirt and in her mouth and nose "which may or may not be consistent with death by drowning". The reported discovery of the blood was made when her clothes were turned over to authorities by the funeral director.

    I suppose my biggest question would be why wait so long to call the authorities, time to sober up?

    Time to hide evidence and make connections?

    Time to formulate the lie? or maybe I'm just paranoid...

    Whats your opinions on this?
     
  2. scratcho

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    Probably would have been charged with manslaughter if he wasn't a Kennedy.
     
  3. Duck

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    I always thought it seemed rather suspicious, and I lean towards "he killed the bitch!" but, really, who knows?
     
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    1. It is said that she has not drowned but suffocated, was breathing and conscious for a while after the accident.

    2. Kennedy was able to escape the vehicle - ergo we must assume there was a way to escape the vehicle.

    Now look at the sketching below and answer this question:

    How could anyone not be able to get out of this car if they were conscious?

    You don't even have to know how to swim : one could just climb out and stand on what has become top of the car and wait for help or simply and literally walk out of the pond if it was that shallow (and it seems like it was).

    Why didn't she do that and instead remained there, letting herself to die of suffocation?



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  5. Duck

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    Are the windows open?
     
  6. sunfighter

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    nice timing, assholes. only haters would create and participate in a such a thread on the day of his funeral.
     
  7. jumbuli55

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    I just saw this sketch (aside from wikipedia stub) , but I must assume something was open, either door or window. Or else how did Kennedy escape?
     
  8. Duck

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    well, no, I wasn't talking about Kennedy at all in that part. But if nothing was open, she could have easily been trapped in the car.

    I agree that the story doesn't seem to fully add up, but you want to cut the weak parts out of your argument.
    The focus should be on Kennedy's story, not how she was trapped, there are too many unknown variables, seeing as she died and couldn't report much..
     
  9. jumbuli55

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    You asked if the windows of the car were open.
    Something, either windows or door, must have been open or else how did Kennedy escape in the first place?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32RAmjjmr9M
     
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    :cheers2:..

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  11. Duck

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    Yoo bad more didn't have the discussion before the funeral then :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Rudenoodle

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    Why it's not like he's going to be getting bad PR for it, plus he got away with killing a young girl, he can't be punished now.


    Ted Kennedy was the asshole. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Rudenoodle

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    Why didn't Ted call the police until the following day?

    Had to call up his creepy family and get a bail out in my opinion, was more than likely to drunk to talk to the cops at the time of the accident, and would rather let a girl die than admit he killed someone while driving intoxicated.
     
  15. jumbuli55

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    History will determine who Ted Kennedy was (most probably remembered as hero to some, scumbag to others).

    What I don't get is:

    If you look at the sketch, it's not like a car fell off the middle of San Francisco Bay Bridge laying 100 ft under the water.

    I mean , one could literally walk out of this car if they were alive and conscious (as stated in documents) after the accident.

    The whole story is obviously not what has been told to public.
     
  16. Rudenoodle

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    I guess we would need to look at the actual pictures taken from the accident to be sure,

    I think upon her autopsy it was shown that she had died of suffocation from breathing the same air that was trapped inside the car with her and not inhalation through the lungs, are you implying that she may have been killed before the accident?

    I may be way off mark if I'm assuming that wrong, I apologize in advance if that's the case.
     
  17. jumbuli55

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    Witnessess saw the rear wheel of this car sticking out of the pond before it was pulled out

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    "He dove repeatedly.." one can break the neck diving into water this shallow.

    This story just doesn't add up.
     
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    the story of jesus dont add up much either, but millions of stupid people believe it..
     
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    My opinion is this is a case of someone who would rather skip taking a breathalyzer proving he was intoxicated than call emergency services to help, or at least promptly pronounce the woman in question was deceased.

    If he were your average citizen of the United States he would be charged (not saying convicted) of manslaughter for failing to alert authorities to the possibility of someone being trapped or injured in a car wreck.
     
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