A Dichotomous Key to Destroy Christian Logic

Here's a littleproof I came up with to tackle Christians and some forms of "religious logic". It's not really a dich. key but take a read and tell me what you think.

Story of Genesis, 6 days of creation. 1 day chillin back.

Why does the Bible use the term "day"? A "Day" is a manmade term that relates the earth's rotational speed relative to the sun. So considering that the sun and earth don't even exist yet, why is God using this arbitrary sense of time? (IF you want more explanation of proof read further) So God is explaining creation in terms that could not even possibly exist until creation? (This can develop further into questions about God not being limited to his own creation.. therefore explaining omniscience, omnipotence, blah blah....)

Usual responses....

1.) Well the term "day" probably doesn't mean an earth day, but figuratively as a division of periods. (go to 1a)

2.) The Bible is infallable, it is our understanding that needs to grow. Pray to God for understanding. (go to 2a)

3.) Who are you to question the Bible?!? (walk away)

Follow up questions by me.

1a) So before I gave you this little argument, what was your beliefs about the story of Genesis? That they were literally true? Or figurative? If literal, explain this to me. If figurative, then explain to me how in any sense of the word "time" explains these divisions? If you can't, then did you in the past believe in the story of Genesis? And If you can't, then how does this information add any value towards your understand of God and the Bible?

2.) If you can't understand the story, then what purpose does it serve towards your understanding of God, of the universe's beginnings, or towards the Bible?

What you guys think?

This simple proof shows how interpretation plays such an important role on dividing sects of the religion. It almost objectifies the fact that they aren't interpreting it correctly, and that gives em a little doubt (except for the hardcore ones).

 

not all xtians think logically like you do, therefore there is no logic to destroy.

 

I owe my Christian faith to a religious experience involving Genesis 1 (26) about God creating humans who are like Him and resemble Him. I've never been able to look at a human since without seeing God. My interpretation is similar to (but ditinct from) the Hindu concept of atman and the Namaste phenomenon.

But I don't take Genesis literally. The Hebrew term ium or yom which is used for the seven periods does not necessarily refer to a twenty-four hour period. It can mean a general, vague unit or point of time. Each of the periods described in the Bible shows God creating an aspect of nature which was worshiped by neighboring peoples as divine: light and darkness, the sun and moon, vegetation, creatures of the sea and air, animals, etc. I see this as making the points that these aspects of our physical world are natural creations, that God created them and is superior to them. The seventh day emphasizes the importance of the Sabbath, which even God observed.

 

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I don't get the God image either. Mans image is all about being a land based finite creature, walking, breathing eating, reproducing, growing old and dying.

Why would God have legs to walk on land that did not predate him? Why would God have a mouth to breath and eat matter that did not predate him? Why would God have bones to support him from matters gravity that did not predate him? Why would God have nipples and a Package for reproduction if he is infinite and singular?

 

The mistake here is trying to disprove through logic what can't even be proven in the first place. Christians made up all of this genesis babble and they can just as easily make up any rationalization that seems fitting when you attack the feasibility of their bible verses. If somebody posits the tooth fairy but has no evidence for its existence, do you try to disprove its existence using logic? No, you call them a dumbfuck and leave. Why then do we give Christianity special exemption from having to be believable? The burden of proof rests on the side that makes the assertion.

 

Perhaps it's not talking about physical image.

 

I tried to rep you for this, but apparently I need to spread more rep around.

This seems like the best logic that has or will come to this thread.

 

I think tackling Christians, apart from the entertainment aspect, (as in tipping cows), is an exercise of dubious value. The, "Christians", that you seek to knock off balance practice the cultivation of belief. Belief is a substitute for knowledge, a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable. The Christian, "believer", is not interested in reasonable assessments. To attack a belief system quite naturally invites the immune response and any ensuing, "arguments", yours as well as theirs, exist only for the purpose of maintaining a point of contention.
Christians are not the authors of creation stories and the Genesis story uses the arbitrary measurement of time line in the same way that modern scientists use a time line in the form of epochs or periods, to explain lines of demarcation in the geologic record.

 

Exactly. Whoever wrote that part of the bible probably meant days (as in one of earth's rotations) and just hadn't anticipated that scientists in the future would find huge flaws in that claim. But we have no way of knowing for sure, and that's exactly how Christians like it.

The problem with trying to refute a belief that has been arbitrarily fabricated is that if it isn't based on any known knowledge anyone can fabricate any rationalization they want to and if it seems feasible it's treated as true, because after all, it would have already been established that a statement doesn't have to have been proven true to have validity in the argument. You fall into their trap.

The proper way to handle this genesis bullshit is to ignore it completely. They have the burden of proof.

 

Besides, if YOM in Genesis meant an undefined time they would not have gone and based our weekdays around these YOMs. Our calender proves that its was understood by all to be a 24 hour rotation of earth. How long is the sabbath Yom? Is it an undefined period of time or is it 24 hours?

 

Does our calender really prove that at all?

 

Before Christianity even existed the early Jews, the people who dreamed up the Genesis story celebrated the sabbath as a period of time between Friday night and Saturday night.

Does this indicate they understood and believed Yom in Genesis to be:
(A) A 12 hour period?
(B) An undefined period of time?
(C) A 24 hour period?

 

So were talking about mans "spirit", how emotional we are, how we are jealous, insecure, greedy lustful walking hate machines who get off on destruction?

Yeah, that does kind of resemble God's "love" doesn't it.

 

Actually Jealousy is a specific trait God used to describe himself

 

I'm not sure what the threat is anymore... Christians who are on the attack aren't listening to reason. If it comes down to violence, I guess that's the root of the issue. In the meantime, I'm just going to listen to them, talk to them... Not sit around thinking of ways to destroy them. That just puts their religion on a pedestal, as if it even carries that much weight. Why treat them as though they've even got a position.

 

Belief is never based on knowledge. Belief occupies a space in the mind where knowledge is not apparent. The real problem of belief is that it must be cultivated. This distraction compromises our situational awareness wherein we seek compliance or agreement rather than comprehension. The myths of man have legitimate lessons to teach if we can explore them with an open mind.

 

I don't know about that... Don't you believe in everything you think you know? Like, I believe this is happening...?